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Hesitation and high KR Cold weather issues?

Started by ShoBoat, April 05, 2015, 12:19:47 PM

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SHOdded

Your work is always meticulous and well-documented, ShoBoat.  Makes for a great reference point.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOnUup

Fingers crossed for that pesky misfire to rid itself from your eco.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

Livernois Motorsports

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 16, 2015, 11:57:35 PM
Yup thanks guys for your ideas again. If this helps someone else avoid a little frustration..... :)

Glad to hear you have found the culprit.  We were confident it was not tune related from start.  This is a perfect example of why we do not revise tunes for a vehicle that is most likely having a mechanical problem.  We would rather help find the root cause of the issue than make a bad aid tune to appease a customer. 

PokerMunkee

2013 SHO PP - Ignot Silver/Charcoal
Unleashed 91 tune w/ 3BAR, Corsa exhaust, LEDs everywhere
2011 F-250 6.2 CCSB FX4

ZSHO

Did you ever have any type of BG induction service performed in the past.Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

ShoBoat


Quote from: ZSHO on April 18, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
Did you ever have any type of BG induction service performed in the past.Z

No not yet, but I plan on it in the near future.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ShoBoat


Quote from: PokerMunkee on April 18, 2015, 01:12:34 PM
What does a misfire feel/sound like?

The best way to describe it in the SHO is almost like a popping sound and a shaking from the engine. The car will feel like it's hesitating and power will not feel smooth (obviously).


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ZSHO

#97
Hopefully its a permanent fix SHOboat,and would avoid any type of B.G induction service to say the least,another note to mention is when i changed my plugs recently found a significant amount of small particles of salt,rocks,dirt between the coils probably from the harsh winter we had,after noticing this the ocd in me took over and grabbed a vacuum and tried to clean the area where the coil sits in,not providing a proper seal if anything is lodged in,or having particles fall inside the spark plug well for sure will cause any potential issues to arrise.Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

ShoBoat

It's back. Noticed it last night. Happened to have my laptop on me. Did some logs and now it looks like cylinders 1, 5 and 6 are showing misfires.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ShoBoat

I was going to post the logs, however I forgot to save the file last night and the battery died on my lap top. This is looking less likely to be an injector issue. As it is happening across different cylinders. It is strange that when it occurs, it only shows on one cylinder. But it does jump around, first pull was cylinder #6 then 5 and the 1. This is getting beyond frustrating. And the worst part about it it that its a random occurrence, I drove it all yesterday during the day. Didn't do it once, then at night it started back up. Now that I think about it once the outside temp is cool or cold it seems to misfire more frequently. That is the only difference that I can think of. It is cool today I will try a few more logs adding in a few more PIDs to get a better picture.   
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

SHOnUup

EGR system malfunction can cause random misfires across many cylinders right?

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ShoBoat

Quote from: SHOnUup on April 19, 2015, 11:37:53 AM
EGR system malfunction can cause random misfires across many cylinders right?

Rich



Not sure, maybe someone can chime in. I am not familiar with the EGR system on the SHO. Just a reminder that it has 0 misfires with the stock tune. I am not sure what impact the tune would have on the EGR system.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

SHOnUup

Me neither...looking at the generic misfire code of p0300 it points to the EGR or maybe a fuel system error.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

ShoBoat

The misfires do not trigger a code. I guess it's under the threshold for the count. But it can be felt and it shows up for the current count on the PID for total misfires for the current drive cycle. 


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

AJP turbo

I think u all may be reaching if trying to contribute a misfire to an egr issue...most late model cars don't have an egr valve per say like the old cars...egr is done via cam timing through exhaust gas reversion

Just my .02
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Former:2014 PP SHO
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405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
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