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Hesitation and high KR Cold weather issues?

Started by ShoBoat, April 05, 2015, 12:19:47 PM

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FoMoCoSHO



With SCT, I can turn 6 of the available data streams into gauges then I can pull the curser across time/rpm and see what is happening at every data point, if that makes any sense.

ShoBoat


Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 11:10:43 AM


With SCT, I can turn 6 of the available data streams into gauges then I can pull the curser across time/rpm and see what is happening at every data point, if that makes any sense.

I can do something similar in Forscan, there is a button at the bottom of the screen that will show me the values in sequence. No gauges though.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 11:15:45 AM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 11:10:43 AM


With SCT, I can turn 6 of the available data streams into gauges then I can pull the curser across time/rpm and see what is happening at every data point, if that makes any sense.

I can do something similar in Forscan, there is a button at the bottom of the screen that will show me the values in sequence. No gauges though.


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Was your LPFP replaced on the recall?

ShoBoat

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 11:15:45 AM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 11:10:43 AM


With SCT, I can turn 6 of the available data streams into gauges then I can pull the curser across time/rpm and see what is happening at every data point, if that makes any sense.

I can do something similar in Forscan, there is a button at the bottom of the screen that will show me the values in sequence. No gauges though.


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Was your LPFP replaced on the recall?

Yes it was replaced.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

FoMoCoSHO

Have you logged it to make sure it isn't dropping out?

ShoBoat

Yes the logs also show LP side of the fuel system on the other page. It doesn't look to me like its dropping out much.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

SHOdded

From the graphs, I'm only seeing the problem when you STAY on the throttle.  On the 55mph 2nd run w/ V7 is where the problem manifested itself.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ShoBoat


Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
From the graphs, I'm only seeing the problem when you STAY on the throttle.  On the 55mph 2nd run w/ V7 is where the problem manifested itself.

Agreed, however the stock tune modulates the throttle plate even though it's at WOT on the AP sensor. The tune file send the command to the TP and its wide open through the whole pull. This is the only difference I can see from the logs. And the drop in HPFP.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

BiGMaC

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 01:26:55 PM

Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
From the graphs, I'm only seeing the problem when you STAY on the throttle.  On the 55mph 2nd run w/ V7 is where the problem manifested itself.

Agreed, however the stock tune modulates the throttle plate even though it's at WOT on the AP sensor. The tune file send the command to the TP and its wide open through the whole pull. This is the only difference I can see from the logs. And the drop in HPFP.


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Agree x3^^^
Bettin' on the fuel control module... If the LPFP is working properly...

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•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOnUup

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
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AJP turbo

Are you suspecting there is a problem with fuel delivery because the pressure dropping?
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ShoBoat

I am being drawn back to the winter fuel (again). I have to do some more research on its effects on AFR and lambda. 


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

AJP turbo

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
I am being drawn back to the winter fuel (again). I have to do some more research on its effects on AFR and lambda. 


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What do u mean?

The O2's will take care of afr and lambda via stft ....and u will never maintain commanded fuel pressure of 2000 or so when at wot with a 3 bar tune...u are pushing the fuel system to the max more specifically the high pressure pump...I think I said this before but I'm commanding 2200 and I'm lucky to see 1000 ..when I'm at 18 psi below 3000 rpm I'm lower than 1000 psi rail pressure
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

91hybrid

Quote from: ajpturbo on April 25, 2015, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
I am being drawn back to the winter fuel (again). I have to do some more research on its effects on AFR and lambda. 


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What do u mean?

The O2's will take care of afr and lambda via stft ....and u will never maintain commanded fuel pressure of 2000 or so when at wot with a 3 bar tune...u are pushing the fuel system to the max more specifically the high pressure pump...I think I said this before but I'm commanding 2200 and I'm lucky to see 1000 ..when I'm at 18 psi below 3000 rpm I'm lower than 1000 psi rail pressure

Even with meth this is still true, however lamba's are kept in check but the additional fuel is using 100% meth that is.
2014 SHO -PP, Unleashed Tuned, 3bar, Devils Own 100% meth, PPE catted down pipes, 3rd cat delete, Magnaflow 2.5" exhaust, 170 deg, NGK 7's plugs, hot pipes - White Platinum 401a
418 whp - 513 wlb/ft
non meth 13.11@103.6 (knock limited)
Meth pass 11.991@114.28

SHOnUup

I see 2100 at WOT all the time. Actually closer to 2200 most the time. Hmmm?

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.