*HOW-TO* 2013+ Brakes on a 2010-2012...THEY WORK!!

[timbo]

I really have no clue why Ford hasn't done a Brembo setup for this car.  It makes way too much sense.

[AJP turbo]

I really have no clue why Ford hasn't done a Brembo setup for this car.  It makes way too much sense.

Have to draw the line somewhere....need to stay south of 50 grand....its a small niche market...i would say the members of this forum dont represent the norm owner of this car...i see alot of old fuddy duds in these sho's that couldnt care less if there were brembos on it

[FoMoCoSHO]

I really have no clue why Ford hasn't done a Brembo setup for this car.  It makes way too much sense.

Have to draw the line somewhere....need to stay south of 50 grand....its a small niche market...i would say the members of this forum dont represent the norm owner of this car...i see alot of old fuddy duds in these sho's that couldnt care less if there were brembos on it

I disagree, the guys driving SHO's are the same guys that would be driving ST's if they were 20 years younger.

Old fuddy duds buy Lincolns, not SHOs

[SHOdded]

Hey now!  Lincoln's for young whippersnappers too!  As far as Ford not providing the upmarket brakes, they obviously didn't think that the economics are there for them to get into that area.  They want to do what they do best, and RFP out the rest.  Works for me!  I mean if we as consumers are just given all the solutions, where would we, as enthusiasts, get to showcase our ideas & skills with DIY?

[Blackhawk]

This sounds like a no brainer if you have to replace a caliper on a 2010-2012 then, might as well upgrade both sides  How do you think it would work without the master cylinder upgrade?

[timbo]

This sounds like a no brainer if you have to replace a caliper on a 2010-2012 then, might as well upgrade both sides  How do you think it would work without the master cylinder upgrade?

Caliper piston areas are the same between the 2 setups, so the feel would be identical.  Should work fine, but I recommend forking over for the upgraded master cylinder/booster.

2010-2012 Master cylinder bore is 1-1/16" (1.062)
2013+ has differential bore at 1.537 Front and 1.125 rear.  That is how it has so much better feel and how it's much more responsive.

[Zorin]

So, If I have a 2011 PP, would this upgrade be useless?

Thanks,
Z

[FoMoCoSHO]

So, If I have a 2011 PP, would this upgrade be useless?

Thanks,
Z

No, this upgrade is full of win PP or not.

[BiGMaC]

So, If I have a 2011 PP, would this upgrade be useless?

Thanks,
Z

No, this upgrade is full of win PP or not.

One might also consider changing the rotor for a '13+ style. That would give you the whole package... Which amounts to 60% more swept area at a larger radius which should increase braking. That might need the master cylinder swap.
The OEM brakes on my '13 are adequate and do have some bite, but a high speed quick stop is still nerve wracking in a 4400lb car from 80+ mph... I will be upgrading as soon as it's time for pads.

[FoMoCoSHO]

So, If I have a 2011 PP, would this upgrade be useless?

Thanks,
Z

No, this upgrade is full of win PP or not.

One might also consider changing the rotor for a '13+ style. That would give you the whole package... Which amounts to 60% more swept area at a larger radius which should increase braking. That might need the master cylinder swap.
The OEM brakes on my '13 are adequate and do have some bite, but a high speed quick stop is still nerve wracking in a 4400lb car from 80+ mph... I will be upgrading as soon as it's time for pads.

Sorry BigMac, I thought he was referring to the whole package.

I'm not sure adequate is a fair adjective for gen 4.2. 60-0 is 106 ft.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-ford-taurus-sho-performance-package-first-test/

Now to put this in perspective...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/22-cars-that-stop-from-mph-in-less-than-100-feet/

And this...

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2012/02/2012-annual-auto-issue-best-cars-for-braking/index.htm

And this...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/20-best-60-to-0-distances-recorded/

Personally I think the brakes perform pretty darn well. 5 ft more than a 2013 GT500? I'm good with that. Beyond a possible pad swap and some stickier tires to enhance performance its very hard for me to justify the outlay for a BBK setup. I'm skeptical about non OEM rotors as well. I don't want another expensive lesson where the Ford engineers made the best tool for the job (CAI)

I think the 4.1-4.2 full upgrade represents an awesome value for the level of performance you end up with. Going past that the law of diminishing returns may rear its ugly head. I'd love to see some instrumented testing of the uber expensive Wilwood setup.

[AJP turbo]

Ive laid into my pp brakes so many times during data logging at deep into triple digit speeds....i aint skeered of the stock brakes

[ZSHO]

Brake fluid system flush anyone,might help especially living in warmer humid climates.  Z

[SHO-Pa]

So as I understand this, the setup works but you lose the dust shields? Is that correct?

Does anyone know if that's a PA state inspection item? It would be bad to do the upgrade only to be flagged for that inconsequential part.

[tgambob]

By my previous failed vehicles yes it is. That's what is holding me up on doing this. But idk if there is an exception maybe since the pps don't have them from the factory.

[AJP turbo]

I think the PP has dust shields....and i dont think you can fail for not having them....how would the tech know if it had them or not anyway from the factory...i highly doubt its a requirement...in fact i would laugh in the guys face and say i guess you dont get my money lol