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Hesitation and high KR Cold weather issues?

Started by ShoBoat, April 05, 2015, 12:19:47 PM

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FoMoCoSHO

Is that pump or rail pressure?

So basically under 1k most of third?


ShoBoat

It's rail pressure and yup.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

AJP turbo

Are you logging boost level when it is sputtering and missing? It sounds like maybe you are just boosting really high momentarily then fuel pressure drops causing sputtering, missing, KR.

Don't ask me why but I can get boost where I want it and think I'm making good progress with my tune then out of nowhere boost will be lower and or higher in places than I had it...It has more to do with the commanded torque I think....The boost is an arbitrary thing, the car is attempting to give you the torque you are commanding and the boost is what it is. It's weird and I'm still learning it but my point is that boost spikes can happen inadvertently and when fuel pressure is low the door is open for sporadic behavior.

I wish you could log in livelink gen 2. I'd send you the config file with what I log and I'd love to take a look at some of your WOT pulls.

Did you say that it happens right after you floor it at a downshift for wot? Boost could be spiking pretty good there....I've had high boost tip ins with multiple tunes including tunes that I paid for.
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

ShoBoat


Quote from: ajpturbo on April 25, 2015, 01:02:54 AM
Are you logging boost level when it is sputtering and missing? It sounds like maybe you are just boosting really high momentarily then fuel pressure drops causing sputtering, missing, KR.

Don't ask me why but I can get boost where I want it and think I'm making good progress with my tune then out of nowhere boost will be lower and or higher in places than I had it...It has more to do with the commanded torque I think....The boost is an arbitrary thing, the car is attempting to give you the torque you are commanding and the boost is what it is. It's weird and I'm still learning it but my point is that boost spikes can happen inadvertently and when fuel pressure is low the door is open for sporadic behavior.

I wish you could log in livelink gen 2. I'd send you the config file with what I log and I'd love to take a look at some of your WOT pulls.

Did you say that it happens right after you floor it at a downshift for wot? Boost could be spiking pretty good there....I've had high boost tip ins with multiple tunes including tunes that I paid for.
Unfortunately I don't have live link, but I can send you the logs in Excel format. It will give you the idea. It takes a bit after the downshift, maybe a second or two. It's really weird. Send me a pm with your email address and I can send you the logs tomorrow.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

AJP turbo

When you did the 50mph roll with the  low fuel pressure it looks like the car didn't down shift....Were your RPM's low? It's hard for the hpfp to make pressure when RPM's are lower, that's when mine suffers as well.....I've ran well over 20 psi and rail pressure stayed over 1500 as long as I was over 4500 RPM's
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
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Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

ShoBoat

On the 50 I was at about 2k rpm when I hit it. On the first of 30 I was lower at 1500rpm with no issue.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

AJP turbo

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 01:11:11 AM
On the 50 I was at about 2k rpm when I hit it. On the first of 30 I was lower at 1500rpm with no issue.


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But does the car downshift when you hit it?
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 12:57:47 AM
It's rail pressure and yup.


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Damn...

Can you plot AFR on those graphs?

ShoBoat

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 01:13:50 AM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 25, 2015, 12:57:47 AM
It's rail pressure and yup.


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Damn...

Can you plot AFR on those graphs?

Sure can here you go.

and AJP yes it does.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

FoMoCoSHO

That graphing sucks!

LOL!

You really need an x4, even if its just for logging...


ShoBoat

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 25, 2015, 01:24:25 AM
That graphing sucks!

LOL!

You really need an x4, even if its just for logging...


Yes I know lol are these any better?
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

FoMoCoSHO


SHOdded

#162
Time to check the identified 55mph issue against V8 and stock?  Also keep an eye out for code p0087.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ShoBoat

2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ShoBoat


Quote from: SHOdded on April 25, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Time to check the identified 55mph issue against V8 and stock?  Also keep an eye out for code p0087.
what is that??


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.