Check out this video from FordTechMakuloco. Regarding ecoboost
New Warning To All Ford Ecoboost Owners!
New Warning To All Ford Ecoboost Owners!
Check out this video
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Tuner Boost
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The guy is a rarity....takes the time to share his experiance and knowledge, and really wants to problem solve. The damage to the turbos occurs though from two fronts with the steady impact to the drivers side units impeller when the accumulated water/fuel/gunk is "burped " into the inlet pipe partially condenses before it hots, and the hot side damage is caused when the hard deposits broken loose from the valves during an induction cleaning hit the hot side impeller. If the build up is severe enough it will break off chunks on its own and they will damage both turbos hot side s when impacting. The turbine blades are fragile and spinning at great speed, so damage easily. We see more drivers side failures (on the trucks) than pass side.
Great video though and guy is smart.
Great video though and guy is smart.
Wow that sucks, I was all ready to get the BG service on my car. So ford is replacing heads on cars because they can't be cleaned? Brutal, but FMC will not allow any modification of the PCV system. Otherwise it may void your warranty? I can't clean it, or correct it. So what the heck are we supposed to do?
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crash712us
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Some thing just isn't setting well with me about this video. I mean its sound like these EB engines are doomed. How could ford design a engine, that remedy to fix is to replace the head. No method or procedure for decarbonizing, Really! Any how there is some relevant info here, yes spraying foreign material in to turbine at speed will damage turbo. But I don't see how doing regular maintenance with product BG service doing any harm. For one turbo's are not at speed when performed and two as I said regular maintenance so the means you already don't have any large build up of carbon. So no risk of a big chunk of carbon flying into turbo. Now if you have a engine that is totally carbon'd up other method would have to be employ'd, such I have seen companies media blast cylinder head right on car with intake manifold removed with walnut shells. Now with the F150's sounds like they have a complete different set of issues, with moisture or other debris that manifests its self in the intake tract that is damaging engine and turbo's. I wouldn't put to much into this video, just my 2cents.
Between catch can and methanol, you'd probably have the problem in GDI systems licked. There probably still needs to an analysis of how easily the turbos are affected, how much material gets blasted into the cats without properly combusting. Many downstream implications.
He is just reporting what he has seen in his own dealer and heard from the ford engineers. Don't kill the messenger! I don't think Ford corp even has a clue what is going on, thats why they are requiring all the parts back for through inspection.The only problem with running meth and a catch can is my warranty. Also, he wasn't talking about blowing chunks through the turbos, he was talking about the heat coming from burning the induction cleaner.
crash712us
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If excessive heat where really a issue. The these BG services would be damaging cats on NA cars as well. As most new cars cats are as close to exhaust manifolds as possible and some time even a part of the exhaust manifold. As far as I am concerned, BG already ran extensive tests with are platform. With all kinds of data, photo's and dyno testing, nothing about this service has shown anything negative.
No one shooting the messenger here, for one the tech still hasn't determined that carbon is the issue with this car. I just find it odd even if the cylinder head is all carbon'd up Ford says the solution is replace the head. These procedures and turbo powered cars have been around forever now. And now there is no viable remedy to maintain or fix? Really!
No one shooting the messenger here, for one the tech still hasn't determined that carbon is the issue with this car. I just find it odd even if the cylinder head is all carbon'd up Ford says the solution is replace the head. These procedures and turbo powered cars have been around forever now. And now there is no viable remedy to maintain or fix? Really!
Yea... I have also seen Walnut shell method, on an n54.
And I just did BG service a little over 1000 miles ago. Car runs great and picked up mpg big time.
Have 48k on the clock and it was my first cleaning.
Only thing ive noticed... about 10k miles ago I was under it to change oil and I noticed rear dp had burned oil on it. Like little streaks from dripping. Looks to be the oil feed line gasket but it hasnt gotten worse and im never low on oil so I haven't messed with it.
Tech didn't even mention it when he changed the ptu fluid.
I do need a good catch can tho... deleted front and added extra venting thru the oil fill cap, but really need something for the rear.
And I just did BG service a little over 1000 miles ago. Car runs great and picked up mpg big time.
Have 48k on the clock and it was my first cleaning.
Only thing ive noticed... about 10k miles ago I was under it to change oil and I noticed rear dp had burned oil on it. Like little streaks from dripping. Looks to be the oil feed line gasket but it hasnt gotten worse and im never low on oil so I haven't messed with it.
Tech didn't even mention it when he changed the ptu fluid.
I do need a good catch can tho... deleted front and added extra venting thru the oil fill cap, but really need something for the rear.
Finally got to watch the video.... IMHO advice from the unknowing (Ford) to the unknowing (the tech in the movie) is the content...
It seems odd that BG did service and additives every five thousand miles from 30K to 61K on their 2011 SHO without burning up a turbo (or ruining anything) They also demonstrated improved performance after treatment (even if incomplete).... It has even occurred to me that Ford engineers want the entire head back to study it.
Our GDI engines have been around a lot longer than the vid... with people pouring a lot of things into the gas tanks/fuel systems to clean them... No argument about the deposit build-up, or it's effects on performance (just ask a BMW owner!)... BG documented it well.... Big problem with the idea that if I remedy the situation my engine will fail.
Idle speed should be a command line item in the ECU both open and closed loop operation.
But it sure got a bunch of people to watch the vid on YouTube.... Couldn't find the video where he told us if replacing the head fixed it
Sorry to be negative,.... just my view.
It seems odd that BG did service and additives every five thousand miles from 30K to 61K on their 2011 SHO without burning up a turbo (or ruining anything) They also demonstrated improved performance after treatment (even if incomplete).... It has even occurred to me that Ford engineers want the entire head back to study it.
Our GDI engines have been around a lot longer than the vid... with people pouring a lot of things into the gas tanks/fuel systems to clean them... No argument about the deposit build-up, or it's effects on performance (just ask a BMW owner!)... BG documented it well.... Big problem with the idea that if I remedy the situation my engine will fail.
Idle speed should be a command line item in the ECU both open and closed loop operation.
But it sure got a bunch of people to watch the vid on YouTube.... Couldn't find the video where he told us if replacing the head fixed it
Sorry to be negative,.... just my view.
If what the tech says is happening at Ford is true, there may be longer-term & positive design implications. I certainly hope so. But I, for one, am glad that there are reputable aftermarket vendors around to help guide us through the maze of possibilities, give us a different point of view.
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Couple of things. Ford is only changing the cylinder heads so they can be shipped back and examined to determine how serious the issue I have been preaching (did I just say that?) for years. The manual cleaning is only a 3-4 hour job and only requires removing the intake manifold, taping each port off, put the port to be cleaned to TDC so both intake valves are closed, then begin with a long shaft flat blade screw driver to remove the larger pieces of the deposits. Then begin with a set on long shaft stainless brushes in a die-grinder or cordless drill. When clean and you can get every spec) use shop vac and compressed air to remove the debris. Tape that port, and move to the next. Walnut shell blast media works good as well.
On to the upper induction cleaning. It is only when the deposit are severe enough that larger chunks break free when performing it and impact the hot side turbine wheel is damage done. This can damage cats as well if to much is introduced at a time. To do this with little deposit formation I still think a single cleaning before, or right after a RX system install is good, but be aware there is always some piston and cylinder wall scouring every time it is performed due to some particles being forced between the wall and piston. You also want to make sure the oil and filter is changed immediately afterwards as some of this is driven into the crankcase and oil.
We see more damage done to the cold side impellers from the accumulated water/fuel/gunk that is "burped" out the cleanside line into the turbo inlet where it partially condenses and hits those blades at speed. They are fragile and do damage from any contact with liquid or solid when spun up.
The promising thing is Ford IS watching the forums and now looking into real solutions....but they will never be able to add a proper separating and evacuating system like the RX system due to cost and the need to empty the can. At least they are testing them as a dealer solution now.
On to the upper induction cleaning. It is only when the deposit are severe enough that larger chunks break free when performing it and impact the hot side turbine wheel is damage done. This can damage cats as well if to much is introduced at a time. To do this with little deposit formation I still think a single cleaning before, or right after a RX system install is good, but be aware there is always some piston and cylinder wall scouring every time it is performed due to some particles being forced between the wall and piston. You also want to make sure the oil and filter is changed immediately afterwards as some of this is driven into the crankcase and oil.
We see more damage done to the cold side impellers from the accumulated water/fuel/gunk that is "burped" out the cleanside line into the turbo inlet where it partially condenses and hits those blades at speed. They are fragile and do damage from any contact with liquid or solid when spun up.
The promising thing is Ford IS watching the forums and now looking into real solutions....but they will never be able to add a proper separating and evacuating system like the RX system due to cost and the need to empty the can. At least they are testing them as a dealer solution now.
IHeartGroceries
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Glad to see the (theoretical) simplicity of a valve cleaning mentioned. Removing/replacing the head? What illogical nonsense. Unless, like stated, it is simply for research.
Walnut media blasting is quite popular for clearing deposits in GDI top ends, and has been for years.
Shoot, valve cleaning falls under regular, routine maintenance for the Mazda MZR - manual cleaning, in fact, performed by many owners with little more than wire brushes, solvent and a shop vac.
With or without control measures, such as OCCs, you should still consider valve cleaning as a routine, PITA piece of maintenance. AFAIK, it is for all turbo GDI.
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Walnut media blasting is quite popular for clearing deposits in GDI top ends, and has been for years.
Shoot, valve cleaning falls under regular, routine maintenance for the Mazda MZR - manual cleaning, in fact, performed by many owners with little more than wire brushes, solvent and a shop vac.
With or without control measures, such as OCCs, you should still consider valve cleaning as a routine, PITA piece of maintenance. AFAIK, it is for all turbo GDI.
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Part 2 just released. His findings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK2eXdaydqI
Interesting, I am going to have to take a look at the other intake valves on mine. I only checked the first 2, On the 3.5 EB the PCV comes in on the back of the intake. I will have to see if I can get my camera down and get a pic of the intake valves closest to the port. This could get expensive having to pull the intake manifold to do a manual cleaning every 20K miles.
J/K!