Methanol & ECU

[askoncemore]

Will the computer adjust for the higher octane and increased AFR?

 

[wasinger3000]

To get the power gains you need to have a tune made for it.

 

[ZSHO]

Agree with Wassinger,you need a tune cause the ECU controls every aspect  of the engines operation and in order for the Meth to work accordingly,you have to get a new compatible revised tune.

 

[J-Will]

For meth, probably not.  The ECU will make automatic adjustments between the different common octanes of pump gas but that is about it. 

 

[SHOdded]

Is the tune expecting a fixed percentage of methanol?

 

[askoncemore]

The tune was for 91 Octane with a 3 Bar. I am seeing 18.3 psi of boost.
I was running the 50/50 WM for safety and it ran better without the WM.

 

[crash712us]

Something isn't right if you run better without it, are you tuned for meth?

 

[91hybrid]

A better question is what does better mean?

 

[askoncemore]

Not tuned for meth yet.
91 Octane 3 bar MAP tuned.

Meth tune will be next.

 

[SHOdded]

Not tuned for meth yet.

There's the problem right there!

 

[wasinger3000]

The tune was for 91 Octane with a 3 Bar. I am seeing 18.3 psi of boost.
I was running the 50/50 WM for safety and it ran better without the WM.

Anytime you add w/m without a tune you lose power. It's still safe but you are not tuned for the improvement in air temp or octane.

 

[Dxlnt1]

Forgive my ignorance on this matter, but if one uses and adds meth injection, does it run all the time? Or is it only sprayed at WOT?

Would love to have the extra performance but simplicity is key. I am not at the track often and have no plans on being any type of racer. But if Im correct, the meth adds roughly 50 hp and 60 ftlb torque right? Which would take MY 4plus tuned car to <450 hp> and <445 ft lbs>? Im guessing at numbers.

All this for about $1000?

 

[ZSHO]

Forgive my ignorance on this matter, but if one uses and adds meth injection, does it run all the time? Or is it only sprayed at WOT?

Would love to have the extra performance but simplicity is key. I am not at the track often and have no plans on being any type of racer. But if Im correct, the meth adds roughly 50 hp and 60 ftlb torque right? Which would take MY 4plus tuned car to <450 hp> and <445 ft lbs>? Im guessing at numbers.

All this for about $1000?

You can install a toggle switch by the dashboard for convenience and have the ability to turn it on when needed and off,and need a new revised tune to get all the benefits from it,and shoudnt be on all the time.

 

[panther427]

Also depending on the tune and type of water meth controller your injection kit uses. Cheap kits run when are certain boost point is reached.  Not sure exactly what all the different kits for this platform offer. But other kits for other platforms can turn on and off based on intake temp, exhaust temp, injector duty cycle, load or rpm.  It really is like having a reserve of power for passing or the track yet still doesn't need to be used all the time.

 

[Dxlnt1]

Also depending on the tune and type of water meth controller your injection kit uses. Cheap kits run when are certain boost point is reached.  Not sure exactly what all the different kits for this platform offer. But other kits for other platforms can turn on and off based on intake temp, exhaust temp, injector duty cycle, load or rpm.  It really is like having a reserve of power for passing or the track yet still doesn't need to be used all the time.

So unless you spend all your time at the track, this is better set up for average lead foot. IF I installed, I would want the headache of an on/off switch. That would seemingly mean you have to stop and load tune before running. But on tap extra power (like turbo) is great.

Anyone in SoCal have installed? I would like to see hear and of course price out my options. Thanks for the answers guys. Good stuff. Good help!

 

[crash712us]

Alkycontrol kit is boost activated. Starts spraying at 8lbs of boost.


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[Dxlnt1]

Alkycontrol kit is boost activated. Starts spraying at 8lbs of boost.


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Awesome. Now I just need to see one installed or find someone to install for me.

Looking at kits, the Unleashed kit is more economical. Does that mean it is cheaper, less reliable, or less power gains?

Also, since I currently have the LMS tune and MyCal tuner, would I need to purchase new tuner from Unleashed to make the most of his system? Unleased $500 kit plus another $500 for tuner?

 

[crash712us]

Everyone's kits are pretty much the same price. It's what they come with that sets them apart. Braided lines, progressive controller, etc. Is what makes one kit more expensive or affordable. So in my opinion the meth kit alkycontrol offers is a much better deal at $509 with the components it come vs $475 for snow performance.


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