3.5eco transverse prone to water pump failures?

[lamrith]

I saw this mentioned a few times in the last month on various Facebook groups (yes I know lot of BS there hence why asking here...).  Supposedly according to them the 3.5eco transverse is prone to water pump failures?

I do not recall seeing it as ever even mentioned here or elsewhere until it came up on FB last month.  Any truth to it?

 

[SHOdded]

Wouldnt say prone, but does it happen?  Yes.  Lot of factors at play.  Overextended coolant change intervals,  overextended oil change intervals ( even with full synth), frequent hard acceleration/braking (affects timing chains), etc.

One of the problems is the location.  Being behind the front cover, it is a 14 hr book time job to do.  A bigger concern to me is the potential for coolant to mix with oil when the overtemperature warning is ignored and one keeps driving instead if pulling over right away.  That can damage the engine internally.

 

[SHOdded]

The pump itself has two seals.  Old coolant erodes the seals.  Chains develop slack.  Slack causes the pump to wobble, and the bearings to wear down.

 

[SHOdded]

[flash=480,380]https://www.youtube.com/embed/GddVuKViof8[/flash]​

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GddVuKViof8

 

[sm105k]

Wouldnt say prone, but does it happen?  Yes.  Lot of factors at play.  Overextended coolant change intervals,  overextended oil change intervals ( even with full synth), frequent hard acceleration/braking (affects timing chains), etc.

One of the problems is the location.  Being behind the front cover, it is a 14 hr book time job to do.  A bigger concern to me is the potential for coolant to mix with oil when the overtemperature warning is ignored and one keeps driving instead if pulling over right away.  That can damage the engine internally.

Along with Shodded's explanation, people don't know about the lubricating properties of coolant.  It keeps the seals lubricated and that keeps the pump happy.  People believe that coolant is a lifetime fluid.......it isn't.  Change all fluids on schedule, and don't skimp.  Hell change them earlier.

 

[ZSHO]

There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z

 

[lamrith]

So no more prone than any other vehicle basically.  They made it sound like it was a chronic failure, what you all are describing here is not a cause for concern like it was portrayed on FB.
I have had vehicles with chronic common issues:  STS-V eat wheel bearings often 20-30k miles and some start to fail, shifter park switch failures at <50k miles, as well as thermostats.  944's you have to replace timing belt every 3yrs regardless of miles.. 

thanks again as always guys!

 

[BlueSHO]

There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z

Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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[sm105k]

There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z

Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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Hell yes that is way too long.  Think of all the heat cycles coolant goes through just in 3 years......extreme hot and cold.

 

[nickstewartroc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GddVuKViof8

Here's part 2 to that video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrmH4S2_ZOI

 

[ZSHO]

There's nothing bulletproof or lifetime Fluids IMO and definitely change your Fluids sooner than later while avoiding Fords service interval recommendations for a peace of mind and costly repairs. Z

Fords initial change for coolant is 6 years or 100k miles so you think that is too long? 

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Divide that by Two! I change mine @ 30K Intervals from PTU-RDU-TRANS-COOLANT-BRAKE SYSTEM FLUSH!
Something to also consider is severe duty or severe climate would require shorter intervals IMO!  Z

 

[802SHO]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

 

[sm105k]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then. 

 

[ClearwaterSHO]

My '13 is at 114k miles. Tuned since 51k. I can't count how many passes down the track. I will tell you that I have followed the advice of the good people on this forum in terms of maintenance and have almost 0 issues from my car. I even had to take it to Ford to have the rack and pinion replaced and they told me that the car is in pristine condition, aside from the rack and pinion issue at the time. I'm hoping to hear back from GH soon on the intercooler and we will see how much oil is in the stock one. I've never looked! 

My Maintenance Schedule:

Oil - Amsoil Signature - 5k miles
Trans Drain Fill - 5k miles
PTU - 15k miles
RDU - 1 time a year around June

I had my coolant flushed last feb @ 90k because I knew the interval was coming and I was worried about the pump. After seeing I should do it even more often, I'll start doing that every 40k or 2 years.

 

[802SHO]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol

 

[sm105k]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol

I am going to try and get as much out as I can.  I know SBS said he got roughly 1.5 gallons out so... Going to go to Ford today and get some coolant and a new t-stat.  I am probably going to remove the front end this afternoon and get to work.

 

[802SHO]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol

I am going to try and get as much out as I can.  I know SBS said he got roughly 1.5 gallons out so... Going to go to Ford today and get some coolant and a new t-stat.  I am probably going to remove the front end this afternoon and get to work.

Let me know what kind of fluid you get.  You said youre going to Ford, what do they use?  I just want to fill it back up with whatever is best. 

Let us know how it goes with your IC install..pretty cooooolllllll

 

[sm105k]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol

I am going to try and get as much out as I can.  I know SBS said he got roughly 1.5 gallons out so... Going to go to Ford today and get some coolant and a new t-stat.  I am probably going to remove the front end this afternoon and get to work.

Let me know what kind of fluid you get.  You said youre going to Ford, what do they use?  I just want to fill it back up with whatever is best. 

Let us know how it goes with your IC install..pretty cooooolllllll

I just called Ford. $22 for a new t-stat, $8 for the gasket,  and $22 per gallon of OEM Orange Ford Coolant.  I am actually heading to the dyno right before that.  Hoping to crack 400 AWHP tune only! Then I will take her home and start taking her apart.

 

[802SHO]

Boy oh boy I've never had mine changed, don't know when it was last done if ever, got the car with 52k and I've driven 20k....better get this done!  Too close for comfort

I am in the same boat.  Bought mine at 51K and I have 69K now.  I am going to try and install my IC this weekend, so I will replace the coolant then.

Good call, I'll wait until I do the same since the radiator will need to come out anyhow! 

Just fill the radiator back up?  Our system burbs itself doesn't it?  Not sure if that's the correct term...lol

I am going to try and get as much out as I can.  I know SBS said he got roughly 1.5 gallons out so... Going to go to Ford today and get some coolant and a new t-stat.  I am probably going to remove the front end this afternoon and get to work.

Let me know what kind of fluid you get.  You said youre going to Ford, what do they use?  I just want to fill it back up with whatever is best. 

Let us know how it goes with your IC install..pretty cooooolllllll

I just called Ford. $22 for a new t-stat, $8 for the gasket,  and $22 per gallon of OEM Orange Ford Coolant.  I am actually heading to the dyno right before that.  Hoping to crack 400 AWHP tune only! Then I will take her home and start taking her apart.

Man if you crack 400 awhp tune only that will be epic!  Since you're swapping out thr t stat why not upgrade it

 

[sm105k]

Man if you crack 400 awhp tune only that will be epic!  Since you're swapping out thr t stat why not upgrade it

We will see.  She went 391/470 last time.  Honestly IMO there is zero gain from a lower T-stat. We can go round and round, but operating temp is operating temp.  In 118 degree heat, it does not matter. The T-stat is at mercy of how efficient the actual cooling system is. I laugh inside when people say put a lower T-stat in, and even when tuners recommend a lower t-stat.  Here is a good read about this...

http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2012/04/low-temp-thermostats-whats-the-advantage/