3 stage fuel system cleaning?

[SHODYOU]

So Ford offers a cleaning service?
I have 41k miles and while I do my best touse only Top Tier 93 octane it just doesnt always happen.

I picked up 20oz of Techron concentrate today and I'll add it next fill up and I'll prob do that a few tanks in a row... and then every four or five thereafter.

Anybody done the 3m or BG stepped process and then used a boroscope? I want them clean, even if I have to pull it apart, then do a simple BG kit every or every other oil change.

 

[mjhpadi]

So Ford offers a cleaning service?
I have 41k miles and while I do my best touse only Top Tier 93 octane it just doesnt always happen.

I picked up 20oz of Techron concentrate today and I'll add it next fill up and I'll prob do that a few tanks in a row... and then every four or five thereafter.

Anybody done the 3m or BG stepped process and then used a boroscope? I want them clean, even if I have to pull it apart, then do a simple BG kit every or every other oil change.

My Ford dealer does the BG service, I also know that BG offers additives to add to the fuel to help keep the fuel system clean, I haven't used them, but I'm not sure how many Ford dealers are authorized BG dealers, if you check the BG website they will list all their dealers and what services they offer.

 

[SHODYOU]

Hmm... just looked it up. The local Ford dealer here and my dads dealership back in MS both offer BG services.

Gonnabe making an appt

 

[SHOdded]

PRO GARD only every 1000 miles, Techron Concentrate Plus only every 3000 miles, that's the official recommendation from Chevron ...

 

[crash712us]

3m fuel system cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4

Chris... Is this the one you use personally? TIA  I noticed that several manufacturers recommend it specifically for their gasoline DI engines.

Yes I used before I was running methanol. I have seen BG service tools and how they are used, why they provide a good service. Its not that much different then what 3m system does.
But prior to installing the meth injection I had planned on using the 3m system about every 15k for $30-$40 I think it great alternative.

 

[vernonator]

Was there not a DIY thread on the 3M kit or was that at the "other" SHO site? I have one on the shelf and plan on doing it in the next week or so now that the weather has improved. If there is NOT a thread I will take some pics and post up a DIY....

 

[DRII]

so, i ended up going to Sears Auto center, because i had some credits available to use at Sears (including auto services, which i was unaware of), they also seem to have the lowest prices for the 3 stage cleaning.

i asked if they used BG products, going off of SwampRats recommendations, unfortunately (i assume) they used run-rite instead.  i told the service manager that my car has a DI, turbo motor; he said that was fine and that their service is fully compatible.  he also offered some incentives if i added a coolant flush service, both services out the door for around $140.  that was about the same price for just the 3 stage cleaning from the Lincoln dealer.  so i went ahead and got it done, with my credits i only paid around $40 directly out of pocket.

after the service i put some Shell gas in, resetted the MPG status and went about my Saturday.  i had a lot of errands and went out that night as well.  i actually drove nearly 90 miles all together.  the MPG meter ended up showing 20.3 MPG, with my normal spirited driving in both city and highway!  i was very happy with that figure, because before the cleaning i was getting about 16.6 MPG!

so maybe the car did have some built up carbon deposits that was negatively affecting it.  i'll report back on my observed MPG later on to see if the gains hold up...

 

[SHOdded]

That's cool :thumb:  Always a +ve to have better MPG w/o loss of performance.

 

[20ecoboost10]

Has anyone had the terraclean treatment done to there cars ?


http://terraclean.net/product.php?id=1

 

[BiGMaC]

Was there not a DIY thread on the 3M kit or was that at the "other" SHO site? I have one on the shelf and plan on doing it in the next week or so now that the weather has improved. If there is NOT a thread I will take some pics and post up a DIY....

Chris posted this link to a vid from 3M with how-to..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4

 

[SHOdded]

Crash712us

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Fuel system cleaning

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12-26-2011, 11:54 AM


I know it has been discussed before at that other place. But I cleaned mine today with 3m's fuel system cleaning kit. Since I do not have a scope to show a before or after result this will be merely a review of the process. With that said its a very simple process and went off with nearly no hiccups. It did generate a check engine light, when scanned it found fault in a overly rich mixture on both O2 sensors. I wasn't alarmed by this as I would think this would be normal for running the engine and spraying solvent in to the intake. Also it does cause the exhaust to smoke so best to do outside the garage. Tip: with our electric throttle if put car into accessory mode you can open and close throttle without running the engine when cleaning throttle body. I performed at 17k and plan to do every 15k and for $30 some dollar and change at autozone.

http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/...9_66767582.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5J5kZLTw4

glock-coma

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#17

03-13-2013, 11:43 PM

I posted this in the BG fuel cleaning thread, thought it might be useful here.

Amazon has a deal right now with free shipping for the fuel system treatment.

$37.07 + save $10 when you clip the coupon from under the picture.

http://www.amazon.com/3M-08963-Fuel-.../dp/B003YJ47JO

 

[ShoBoat]

Thought I would wake up this old topic. I called around to find out if any of the Ford dealers did BG fuel/intake service in my area. The closest is a decent drive from my home. What is interesting that most of the ones listed on the BG site have dropped the product line. They wouldn't say why, I did find this dealer and he would do the service. I asked if there was any danger with mine being an EB. He said he was unaware of any issues with BG and turbos. However he instead recommended this instead. http://www.speclube.com/products.html. His comment that it was made for turbo charged DI engines and that it even cleaned the turbos. (i am guessing he meant the blades) Any thoughts?

 

[SHOdded]

Wouldn't know about this system, but Motul products are highly regarded though.

 

[anthonylee337]

my MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.

I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:

1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil

After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.

If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.

Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:

thanks, i'll give that a try...

Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though

 

[vernonator]

Be sure to use the Techron Concentrate Plus 20oz 1 bottle, or 2 bottles of the Chevron Pro-Gard cleaner per fuel tank.

So I fill up at Chevron anyway (although stuck with 91 octane, and E10 on that from December through March). I'm consistently running about 20 mpg with my right foot all the way down when ever I can safely... Do I understand correctly that you guys think there's any benefit to adding more "Techron"?

I get most concerned about the valves in this DI engine... no fuel spray to clean them.

I get around 21mpg in my '12 PP sho running the Livernois 4+ 93 octane tune with Catless downpipes. I run the only 93 I can find from the local MurphyUSA. Not sure that your Chevron is really all the different in the end. Now I did have the BG fuel system cleaning done last oil change as my mileage had dipped to 19ish, my dealer IS a BG provider. I think that is a better spend of your money than tank additives. Just my opinion though

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I just dont trust these fuel treatments. It's one thing if it comes off as tiny combustible particles but there is no way to know that bigger chunks aren't coming off.

 

[BiGMaC]

...I have always used Chevron premium gas FWIW... I have the same concerns expressed by FoMoCo.... It's why I plan to go with meth injection soon... that will keep the intake valves clean.... there's still the turbos and EGR/PCV gas recirc though... why i went VTA, to eliminate at least some of it.

 

[SHOdded]

So we have: 

methanol injection (proven),
catch can system (variable results),
manual valve cleaning (walnut shell blasting, or soaking/removing, etc),
use of low volatility full synthetic oil,
periodic cleaning of the CAC, and
a minor increase in the fuel's E content

in our DI arsenal. 

In addition to running an FI cleaner through the tank periodically or a fuel system treatment, of course.  But that applies to pretty much any fuel system, MFI, PFI, DI whathaveyou.

 

[wasinger3000]

my MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.

I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:

1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil

After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.

If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.

Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:

thanks, i'll give that a try...

Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though

I get 26 at 70 mph. Around 23 at 80.

 

[BiGMaC]

my MPG has been around 17, i do drive aggressively but thought i would be getting better mileage than that; so maybe there is some carbon build up somewhere.

I was in the same boat as you, got the car beginning of this year and was getting 17 MPG. Heres a couple things you should try first:

1. Know what you're putting in your tank, some brands/stations have more ethanol than others which will affect how the power/MPG of the car. Stick to top tier gas, I find Sunoco 93 to run great and will fill up with Exxon or Shell 93 as a second choice.
2. Go to your local Walmart/Meijer/etc. and purchase a bottle of Chevron 65740 Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner and Marvel Mystery Oil

After the first full tank of Techron I went from 17 to 19 MPG. Then I use 4-6 oz of Marvel Mystery oil with every fill up (have went through one bottle/4 fill ups so far) and am now at 20.4 MPG. Mind you this is with well spirited driving, mix of city and highway.

If you aren't the first owner you don't know what kind of gas has been put in your vehicle, and with all this ethanol diluting our gas it helps to give the system a cleaning.

Best part is it cost less than $15 and is as simple as pouring it in your gas tank before a fill up. :thumb:

thanks, i'll give that a try...

Wow 20mpg? My car with only 100 miles got around 18 at best and that was driving it like an old man! I never heard of someone getting over 20mpg-According to ford most SHO's will average 17. I will say I do get around 29 on the highway though

I get 26 at 70 mph. Around 23 at 80.

Similar to Wass... I get about 20 on 95% surface streets daily (with AC on...PHX!), and about 27 on the interstate if I cruise 90 or below.