I actually don't have meth, running e30 currently, but i had considered buying a snow kit a few months back it just fell off my radar after awhile. At this point I'm pretty much stuck where I'm at unless I look into meth or fuel pump. But before I get into that, I want to hit the track and see what times I'm running and decided if I want to keep moving or roll with where I am for a bit. Pre downpipes I put down 421/503 hoping to be around 450ish now. My goal is 500whp or 11 sec 1/4 which ever comes first! (even if i have to gut the interior for the day)
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@802 what made you decide to switch intercoolers?
I liked the look of it. Gotgrip? Posted it on Shoforum and I was in my garage looking at my car with the bumper off and decided I would try it. It was a cool project. Most time consuming part was to decide what to do, how to run the piping and what I was willing to cut out of the way lolshaundizzle15 said:
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IC will be getting painted black. Original reason to bring back the all black look of my front end. Even better reason is bc it will force it to become A LOT more efficient. Crazy just by painting it Black!! Mighty Car Mods did this test, extensive measuring of heat across IC, heat soaking it and also adding air flow. Started off with a nice shiny IC...got all their data...then painted it black. Just by painting it black it reduced temps on the outlet side by a staggering 40°! This is also without airflow. So at the track waiting in the staging lanes....this is a HUGE BENEFIT!!!
GH IC being black isnt by mistake. I'd say my new IC black will actually be a lot better than GH since with it silver its marginally better already.
https://youtu.be/f1QL9veQaNg
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GH IC being black isnt by mistake. I'd say my new IC black will actually be a lot better than GH since with it silver its marginally better already.
https://youtu.be/f1QL9veQaNg
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Where did you mount the AC condenser? Iirc it’s bolted to the front the stock IC?
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The AC condenser is in the way of the IC, so with the GH IC out, you can push the AC condensor into the opening of the core support....which it doesn't really fit...so it gets wedged in there. Will take some force to pill it back out...and I added a couple stainless steel zip ties to keep it from adjusting its position. The radiator is fine, that sits into the bottom of the core support and bolts to the top of the core support with clips/bolts. So the cooling stack...as far as the radiator is concerned...is same place...last. And the AC condensor gets less airflow rather than the IC. I still have my PP trans cooler. So trans temps are nice and cool still.StealBlueSHO said:
Also above...Mighty Car Mods put out that intersting video...well the youtube channel Engineering Explained said the problem with that finding is the IC works off convection not radiation...so the reading with airflow matters most and in that case the shiny aluminum IC is more efficient than it painted black. So not painting it black. Bought a nitrous IC chiller bar.
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On Friday 8/7/20 My son and I drove to New England Dragway to do a full send with the car. I didn’t realize that or check to see what if any events were being held other than the fact that is was Street Night. The night before I changed the oil with Royal Purple HPS and motorcraft filter, added some Redline water wetter to my new radiator fluid, packed tools in case I blew a cloupler on the IC, everything I would need to jack the car up, take a wheel off, really any oh **** moments I tried to bring something I could use to get myself back up and running. Brought my computer to view data logs, a few gallons of 110, my empty 5 gal pale of M1 to refill at the track, tire pressure gauge with air release to quickly drop tire pressure, 4K camcorder and Dragy. I ran the car empty and filled back up with 110.
It was packed, there was a huge line of cars well before you get close to pay to get in....then I checked...oh 603 Diesel Night....great! Track tech took forever....didn’t get much time for a cool down from my 3 hour drive. Put 3 bags of ice on it and walked to the fuel shack to fill up my M1 pale that was literally empty and I needed to add some to my car before making my first pass. So much cheaper there. At home I pay 79.99 for 5 gal of M1, at the track I paid $30 to fill it so no brainer right there. Dropped my tire pressure to 28 in the front and headed to get in line. My son and my cousin who lives 30 min from the track took my camcorder to film me. I waited maybe 20 min in line to take my first pass....not bad. But I anticipated longer so I was trying to get my computer situated....and this was a full **** pass, no other seats but my Kirky Driver seat, all door panels off except the driver side and door speakers in the back doors removed. Definitely the lightest my car has even been, although I didn’t bother weighing it I was unsure of being able to go. So first pass I was unable to get the log because I turned my car off and when I needed to go I couldn’t reach the buttons on the computer sitting on the passenger floor as the device had lost its connection from turning the car off. Then I shallow staged on accident, thought to put it in reverse but he dropped the tree so I started late. Ran an 11.75 on Dragy which actually was 1.5 tenths too fast...that was the most Dragy has ever been off for me...it was actually an 11.90 run and of course I wasn’t too happy with that time. I should be able to get into the 1.6 60 ft with my Drag tires as my best with street tires is a 1.72...but no I went 2.0 for a 60ft....like wtf? I had a 15 shot pre IC and 35 shot pre TB...the car felt like it stopped pulling right at the end of that run...which I’ve felt before with nitrous...never felt that ever when I’m not using nitrous....so I got mad bc I ran 11.89 last year full interior and no nitrous .....so I hot lap it and go back....I also was funneled into the left lane...at this track I’ve never got a good time in the left lane ever....my buddy who goes there all the time told me a couple years ago...you want the right lane, they use it for private rentals and it always has better prep. So right there I wasn’t happy about having to be in the left lane. So second time around I purposely went in the right lane....well aren’t they only running left now....and I literally let my car idle for 15 min...IAT2 wouldn’t get above 147 but I figured that was trash too. And this isn’t the first time I got pissed off and went back and ran faster....not sure how that works haha
I hit a better 60 ft a 1.79 ...I didn’t touch nitrous until 3rd gear and this time it didn’t stop pulling and ran 11.67. Again not happy about that....considering I ran 11.69 with a 1.86 60 ft last year in August also with full interior on street tires with a 35 shot....so what is going on?
I logged last years 11.69 so I looked at the logs back and forth back and forth so this is what happened or at least is a big part of whah happened. Last year I used a tune with 19 psi with spark capped to 18-20 and shifting at 6200 rpm. This year I’m using 20 psi with 15-16 spark and shifting at 5700. And why? Well again I’m worried about the stock motor and I want to try to use some caution.....but clearly I was faster last year and losing 5 degrees of spark and shifting early even with 1 more psi of boost didn’t help. I’m happy to be able to drive home and go back and try again but it’s frustrating. I want to play it safe but at the same time I want the 4 grand I spent to make a difference .....and there’s always the version of being frustrated with a running car vs being frustrated with a broken car....so there’s that. I’d be willing to bet if I ran last years tune and let the porting I had done and better fuel pressure the pumps and drag tires and a littler lighter make up the difference. So this is what you get to deal with when you got a stock motor....Always wondering is this is the end? Hahaha
https://youtu.be/Z7TC5QFlz0M
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It was packed, there was a huge line of cars well before you get close to pay to get in....then I checked...oh 603 Diesel Night....great! Track tech took forever....didn’t get much time for a cool down from my 3 hour drive. Put 3 bags of ice on it and walked to the fuel shack to fill up my M1 pale that was literally empty and I needed to add some to my car before making my first pass. So much cheaper there. At home I pay 79.99 for 5 gal of M1, at the track I paid $30 to fill it so no brainer right there. Dropped my tire pressure to 28 in the front and headed to get in line. My son and my cousin who lives 30 min from the track took my camcorder to film me. I waited maybe 20 min in line to take my first pass....not bad. But I anticipated longer so I was trying to get my computer situated....and this was a full **** pass, no other seats but my Kirky Driver seat, all door panels off except the driver side and door speakers in the back doors removed. Definitely the lightest my car has even been, although I didn’t bother weighing it I was unsure of being able to go. So first pass I was unable to get the log because I turned my car off and when I needed to go I couldn’t reach the buttons on the computer sitting on the passenger floor as the device had lost its connection from turning the car off. Then I shallow staged on accident, thought to put it in reverse but he dropped the tree so I started late. Ran an 11.75 on Dragy which actually was 1.5 tenths too fast...that was the most Dragy has ever been off for me...it was actually an 11.90 run and of course I wasn’t too happy with that time. I should be able to get into the 1.6 60 ft with my Drag tires as my best with street tires is a 1.72...but no I went 2.0 for a 60ft....like wtf? I had a 15 shot pre IC and 35 shot pre TB...the car felt like it stopped pulling right at the end of that run...which I’ve felt before with nitrous...never felt that ever when I’m not using nitrous....so I got mad bc I ran 11.89 last year full interior and no nitrous .....so I hot lap it and go back....I also was funneled into the left lane...at this track I’ve never got a good time in the left lane ever....my buddy who goes there all the time told me a couple years ago...you want the right lane, they use it for private rentals and it always has better prep. So right there I wasn’t happy about having to be in the left lane. So second time around I purposely went in the right lane....well aren’t they only running left now....and I literally let my car idle for 15 min...IAT2 wouldn’t get above 147 but I figured that was trash too. And this isn’t the first time I got pissed off and went back and ran faster....not sure how that works haha
I hit a better 60 ft a 1.79 ...I didn’t touch nitrous until 3rd gear and this time it didn’t stop pulling and ran 11.67. Again not happy about that....considering I ran 11.69 with a 1.86 60 ft last year in August also with full interior on street tires with a 35 shot....so what is going on?
I logged last years 11.69 so I looked at the logs back and forth back and forth so this is what happened or at least is a big part of whah happened. Last year I used a tune with 19 psi with spark capped to 18-20 and shifting at 6200 rpm. This year I’m using 20 psi with 15-16 spark and shifting at 5700. And why? Well again I’m worried about the stock motor and I want to try to use some caution.....but clearly I was faster last year and losing 5 degrees of spark and shifting early even with 1 more psi of boost didn’t help. I’m happy to be able to drive home and go back and try again but it’s frustrating. I want to play it safe but at the same time I want the 4 grand I spent to make a difference .....and there’s always the version of being frustrated with a running car vs being frustrated with a broken car....so there’s that. I’d be willing to bet if I ran last years tune and let the porting I had done and better fuel pressure the pumps and drag tires and a littler lighter make up the difference. So this is what you get to deal with when you got a stock motor....Always wondering is this is the end? Hahaha
https://youtu.be/Z7TC5QFlz0M
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Sounds like it was less than stellar at the track which sucks when you are hoping to get a good ET...802SHO said:
With all the changes you have done, I would have been surprised if your first track event yielded desired results. Takes tweaking to get there for sure! It will get better, just need some adjustments. And you need to take the diaper off and let her eat to red line
500 rpms is a significant amount of the power band...If you look at the dyno sheets with upgraded turbos, that last 1000 rpms is all power. So you are handicapping yourself with shifting early. Stock turbos drop like hot rock high up in the RPMS...
Next time hopefully will result in a different outcome!
Take the diaper off hahahaha I appreciate that well spoken yet very true statement!! To be honest I didn’t realize it was tuned that way. Like mentioned last year it was 19 psi 18-20 spark which I believe is conservative spark and the knock sensors go flat at WOT bc they aren’t allowed to add timing...I’m sure they want to....so I felt that was siding with caution last year. This year we went 20 psi and on my part I assumed it was 18-20 spark and no changes to rpm....it wasn’t until I studied the logs I found the spark at 15-16 and 5700 shifting. Which is why I think even if I ran 19 psi again and back to 20 spark and 6200 I would be maybe a 10th or 2 faster from my new mods and still be siding with caution. So we’ll see. But it was interesting for sure that I hit lapped it and idled for so long....held off on nitrous until 3rd and ran faster.StealBlueSHO said:Sounds like it was less than stellar at the track which sucks when you are hoping to get a good ET...802SHO said:
With all the changes you have done, I would have been surprised if your first track event yielded desired results. Takes tweaking to get there for sure! It will get better, just need some adjustments. And you need to take the diaper off and let her eat to red line
If you look at the dyno sheets with upgraded turbos, that last 1000 rpms is all power. So you are handicapping yourself with shifting early. Stock turbos drop like hot rock high up in the RPMS...
Next time hopefully will result in a different outcome!
I still had a good time bc I just needed to see where I was at. It did suck driving 3 hours to be there for 3 hours then drive back and only get two runs in....track prep I’m sure wasn’t as good by the time I went. All part of the game I suppose. As per typical fashion I’ll be faster as I go....which is how it’s always been for me. So long as September goes well look for a stellar performance early to mid October when DA flirts with -2000 ft. The DA was about 1000ft there. So also still really good.
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Glad it was fun over all!!!802SHO said:Take the diaper off hahahaha I appreciate that well spoken yet very true statement!! To be honest I didn’t realize it was tuned that way. Like mentioned last year it was 19 psi 18-20 spark which I believe is conservative spark and the knock sensors go flat at WOT bc they aren’t allowed to add timing...I’m sure they want to....so I felt that was siding with caution last year. This year we went 20 psi and on my part I assumed it was 18-20 spark and no changes to rpm....it wasn’t until I studied the logs I found the spark at 15-16 and 5700 shifting. Which is why I think even if I ran 19 psi again and back to 20 spark and 6200 I would be maybe a 10th or 2 faster from my new mods and still be siding with caution. So we’ll see. But it was interesting for sure that I hit lapped it and idled for so long....held off on nitrous until 3rd and ran faster.StealBlueSHO said:Sounds like it was less than stellar at the track which sucks when you are hoping to get a good ET...802SHO said:
With all the changes you have done, I would have been surprised if your first track event yielded desired results. Takes tweaking to get there for sure! It will get better, just need some adjustments. And you need to take the diaper off and let her eat to red line
If you look at the dyno sheets with upgraded turbos, that last 1000 rpms is all power. So you are handicapping yourself with shifting early. Stock turbos drop like hot rock high up in the RPMS...
Next time hopefully will result in a different outcome!
I still had a good time bc I just needed to see where I was at. It did suck driving 3 hours to be there for 3 hours then drive back and only get two runs in....track prep I’m sure wasn’t as good by the time I went. All part of the game I suppose. As per typical fashion I’ll be faster as I go....which is how it’s always been for me. So long as September goes well look for a stellar performance early to mid October when DA flirts with -2000 ft. The DA was about 1000ft there. So also still really good.
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I’m betting the 5700 shift was an accident... I have run into that almost every time I did a major modification that resulted in a significant increase in power.. both Matt and Brad mention it’s a torque limiter that causes it...
I have faith it will all get worked out!
I talked to Brad about it. He purposely did that bc he’s read recently high rpm stresses things exponentially. He said things have gone boom with 20 psi 20 spark and 6200 rpm. And even if you have no knock things can fail from a pure power perspective. I’m willing to risk it with a similar tune from last year since I’ve already taken it to that level. And a huge plus is my fuel pressure this year. Last year I would make 2400 psi and maintain....but playing with nitrous it would dip to about 1100 but recover and actually in the log from last year the 11.69 it dipped a few times .....this year even with nitrous it makes 2800 and doesn’t skip a beat so that’s a huge step out of danger zoneStealBlueSHO said:Glad it was fun over all!!!802SHO said:Take the diaper off hahahaha I appreciate that well spoken yet very true statement!! To be honest I didn’t realize it was tuned that way. Like mentioned last year it was 19 psi 18-20 spark which I believe is conservative spark and the knock sensors go flat at WOT bc they aren’t allowed to add timing...I’m sure they want to....so I felt that was siding with caution last year. This year we went 20 psi and on my part I assumed it was 18-20 spark and no changes to rpm....it wasn’t until I studied the logs I found the spark at 15-16 and 5700 shifting. Which is why I think even if I ran 19 psi again and back to 20 spark and 6200 I would be maybe a 10th or 2 faster from my new mods and still be siding with caution. So we’ll see. But it was interesting for sure that I hit lapped it and idled for so long....held off on nitrous until 3rd and ran faster.StealBlueSHO said:Sounds like it was less than stellar at the track which sucks when you are hoping to get a good ET...802SHO said:
With all the changes you have done, I would have been surprised if your first track event yielded desired results. Takes tweaking to get there for sure! It will get better, just need some adjustments. And you need to take the diaper off and let her eat to red line
If you look at the dyno sheets with upgraded turbos, that last 1000 rpms is all power. So you are handicapping yourself with shifting early. Stock turbos drop like hot rock high up in the RPMS...
Next time hopefully will result in a different outcome!
I still had a good time bc I just needed to see where I was at. It did suck driving 3 hours to be there for 3 hours then drive back and only get two runs in....track prep I’m sure wasn’t as good by the time I went. All part of the game I suppose. As per typical fashion I’ll be faster as I go....which is how it’s always been for me. So long as September goes well look for a stellar performance early to mid October when DA flirts with -2000 ft. The DA was about 1000ft there. So also still really good.
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I’m betting the 5700 shift was an accident... I have run into that almost every time I did a major modification that resulted in a significant increase in power.. both Matt and Brad mention it’s a torque limiter that causes it...
I have faith it will all get worked out!
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Gotcha, well if it was intentional then ya, your knee capping yourself lol...802SHO said:I talked to Brad about it. He purposely did that bc he’s read recently high rpm stresses things exponentially. He said things have gone boom with 20 psi 20 spark and 6200 rpm. And even if you have no knock things can fail from a pure power perspective. I’m willing to risk it with a similar tune from last year since I’ve already taken it to that level. And a huge plus is my fuel pressure this year. Last year I would make 2400 psi and maintain....but playing with nitrous it would dip to about 1100 but recover and actually in the log from last year the 11.69 it dipped a few times .....this year even with nitrous it makes 2800 and doesn’t skip a beat so that’s a huge step out of danger zoneStealBlueSHO said:Glad it was fun over all!!!802SHO said:Take the diaper off hahahaha I appreciate that well spoken yet very true statement!! To be honest I didn’t realize it was tuned that way. Like mentioned last year it was 19 psi 18-20 spark which I believe is conservative spark and the knock sensors go flat at WOT bc they aren’t allowed to add timing...I’m sure they want to....so I felt that was siding with caution last year. This year we went 20 psi and on my part I assumed it was 18-20 spark and no changes to rpm....it wasn’t until I studied the logs I found the spark at 15-16 and 5700 shifting. Which is why I think even if I ran 19 psi again and back to 20 spark and 6200 I would be maybe a 10th or 2 faster from my new mods and still be siding with caution. So we’ll see. But it was interesting for sure that I hit lapped it and idled for so long....held off on nitrous until 3rd and ran faster.StealBlueSHO said:Sounds like it was less than stellar at the track which sucks when you are hoping to get a good ET...802SHO said:
With all the changes you have done, I would have been surprised if your first track event yielded desired results. Takes tweaking to get there for sure! It will get better, just need some adjustments. And you need to take the diaper off and let her eat to red line
If you look at the dyno sheets with upgraded turbos, that last 1000 rpms is all power. So you are handicapping yourself with shifting early. Stock turbos drop like hot rock high up in the RPMS...
Next time hopefully will result in a different outcome!
I still had a good time bc I just needed to see where I was at. It did suck driving 3 hours to be there for 3 hours then drive back and only get two runs in....track prep I’m sure wasn’t as good by the time I went. All part of the game I suppose. As per typical fashion I’ll be faster as I go....which is how it’s always been for me. So long as September goes well look for a stellar performance early to mid October when DA flirts with -2000 ft. The DA was about 1000ft there. So also still really good.
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I’m betting the 5700 shift was an accident... I have run into that almost every time I did a major modification that resulted in a significant increase in power.. both Matt and Brad mention it’s a torque limiter that causes it...
I have faith it will all get worked out!
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Sounds like a motor build might be around the corner
For my first time with the radials yes my 60 ft wasn’t good at all. I need to get those tires to hook and I should be in the upper 1.6 range with them. Being that it was at night and my first time having two jets so two buttons...I couldn’t see them very well, was trying to feel for them and get my hand in a comfortable position, I hit the pre IC 15 shot jet first while in 1st and then added the 35 shot pre TB after shifting into 2nd and it didn’t hook I think I spun....also I tried this with TC on, something I’ve been messing with recently it seems to help keep the car faster with TC on most of the time I’ve tried it. So second hot lap where I should have been slower as now I got everything hot and put the phenolic spacer to the test.....I wondered if I even needed nitrous at all bc I shouldn’t for an 11.9. And I’ve always used TC off at the track previously so I figured I would just do what I always do and leave TC off for the next pass, and not touch nitrous until 3rd. I still spun a little in first but cut the 2.0 60 ft to a 1.79 which I definitely shouldn’t need radials for....but I have no idea if track prep was all that good to begin with getting there so late and in the usually worse prepped left lane. So idk. I feel confident I’ll snag a 1.6 60 ft before the season is over up hereMacgyver said:
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