802SHO 2010 Build
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AJP turbo said:
LOL!!! Yes we are pushing the motors quite hard... Although, historically 500awtq+ seems to be the point where things start to get really pissy.. stock torque converter has a hard time locking, trans starts to get unhappy although torque management tends to help with that, motors tend to be short lived unless they are hyper maintained and not pushed hard often.
Also why I run Gearheads Auto Octane tune for the most part which is a bit less than the E30 tune.. still 450awhp/480awtq on 93 pump.
Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable running 802SHO's power on just meth alone.. thats a metric SH!T ton of meth lol.. but he has bigger nuts than me!
There isn't really a magic number per se.. but based on previous data.. at 500awhp+ / 500awtq+ there is a greater chance of a major problem on stock components and drive train.. I can think of at least 3-4 cars off the top of my head that hit those numbers and then had major failures afterwards... Although yes, we do see many failures below that number as well.. the ratio of failures at 420awhp vs 500+awhp lends itself to the assumption that 500awhp+ seems to be a point where its not matter of if, its a matter of when.
My tuner is fantastic, but if the motor lets loose.. I am sure it wasn't due to an issue in the tune.
My tuner is fantastic, but if the motor lets loose.. I am sure it wasn't due to an issue in the tune.
StealBlueSHO said:
Precisely. The magic number is what you have referenced many times. Magic numbers are based on previous examples. They become perceived accepted power levels and it's not wise...It's still gambling...So you like safer bets, still gambling. I would rather see power less than 400whp but that's not what everyone is looking for.
Have you ever wondered how you would answer the question as a tuner when someone asks can you please give me as much power as possible while being safe as and conservative as possible...If you have imagined what it would look like when a persons head is about to explode you would see it if yo watch me type a reply to that.
But if your motor fails and you are certain it's not a tune issue your tuner would appreciate that very much...Not everyone is like you because of the perceived magic numbers that are out there. They feel they are on one side of the power line or the other so they were operating in the safe zone or not and if they were they look for reasons when the reason might be as simple as "too much pahwa" but they have been conditioned through internet forums that they should have been safe because they ONLY added 100hp to their stock motor car.
What is safe? This makes me think of the hot pipes. Mike had a boost leak in his flex so now everyone making power does? Its still great for piece of mind, but mine came late, I don't have a boost leak. How many cars have had major problems and jow many were tuned? There's only been a handful of SHO's with this much power so are they ALL doomed bc few were? Plenty of stock SHO's riddle with problems as well. It's a gamble for sure. One thing is for sure no one wants problems with their vehicles, modified or not.
@AJPTurbo... pretty close example? LOL...
Again, sorry to hear that happened Topher but you're right, some things are imminent failures and are not tune related at all. Underlying issues can be exacerbated but a solid tune is a solid tune. Unfortunately non of us have control over the life expectancy of OEM used or new or upgraded components.
It is a learning experience, and we are all the better for it.1" hubcentric wheel spacers. I tried these out last year briefly and took them off and sent them back. My rear tires were rubbing on the 10'oclock position(rear bumper mount). Feeling determined to get these on I reordered a set and while I had my rear bumper off to install my new rear reinforcement bar, I got to some cutting. The tab there stick in the the fender area a bit....I trimmed some and cut some on both sides in the rear. I cut and trimmed around the mount, not eliminating it. It's not pretty but it gets the job done. Only way to see it is to look in my wheel well a tad...in which case no one will see it. I did not rub up front at full turn so no trimming up front.
I had a chance today to test fit the rears and go for a test drive, down the same bumpy crappy road. I rubbed once...compared to every single bump like last time. 90% done. I think I'll heat some of whats left up highlighted in red and push it in. Going for no rubbing at all. Almost there. Looks amazing though. One pic driverside no spacer, compared to passenger side with spacer.
My wheels are 20x9.
I had a chance today to test fit the rears and go for a test drive, down the same bumpy crappy road. I rubbed once...compared to every single bump like last time. 90% done. I think I'll heat some of whats left up highlighted in red and push it in. Going for no rubbing at all. Almost there. Looks amazing though. One pic driverside no spacer, compared to passenger side with spacer.
My wheels are 20x9.
