Can`t decide between LMS and Unleashed for Ex Sport

[QuickSilver]

I went with LMS and have had good success, I do appreciate how they offer current/updated tune versions as more is learned about our platforms. However, the latest tune for my '14 Ex Sport I don't like as well as the last. This one feels like it is overly rich, especially when the ambient air temps are over 90 degrees. I actually get some very light hesitation on hot days and can smell the Catyletic convertors when they are working overtime to cook off the unburnt fuel. Exhaust tips are black and sooty now too. Maybe if I wasn't too complacent to email them and ask for the previous version back I'd be happier? It just pulls so hard when the air is cold that I can live with the soft tune when hot out. Winter is coming even in Cali :banana:

 

[SHOdded]

So you need a Warm Weather tune?  You should tell 'em, AJ, so they can further improve the latest tune!

 

[SHOnUup]

I went with LMS and have had good success, I do appreciate how they offer current/updated tune versions as more is learned about our platforms. However, the latest tune for my '14 Ex Sport I don't like as well as the last. This one feels like it is overly rich, especially when the ambient air temps are over 90 degrees. I actually get some very light hesitation on hot days and can smell the Catyletic convertors when they are working overtime to cook off the unburnt fuel. Exhaust tips are black and sooty now too. Maybe if I wasn't too complacent to email them and ask for the previous version back I'd be happier? It just pulls so hard when the air is cold that I can live with the soft tune when hot out. Winter is coming even in Cali :banana:

Let em know. They will have no problem sending it to you.

Rich

 

[Airbornemaikai]

Ok I can't help but respond, I have tried and tried not to but like pop eye says "I can't stands it no more"
The tuner debate is a recurring question, almost like clock work. There is already tons and tons of threads with plenty of info on the tunes and mods available. Lots of the people posting the same info and same questions are also posting the exact same thing in other forums, namely the explorer forum. So it just drives me insane to have to see the same question over and over as if an opinion is ever going to change fact that the tuners both have good products and it is a personal choice of which to go with. There will be no final deciding factor other than what the person spending the money won't make for themselves.
That being said, I personally chose LMS based solely off the fact that they have they fastest tracked sport to date. Can we just stop with these threads already? I mean this is literally the exact same post the op has started multiple times, and they aren't the only one guilty of this. The info is out there already, read and decide for yourself
For example here's the ops other post literally on the exact same topic
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3779.msg59189.html#msg59189

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

His other thread kind of went "poopie" so maybe that's why he started a new one. That being said, I'm all for spirited debate and I see nothing wrong as long as people don't get all emotional and butthurt. At the end of the day what matters most to me is that our esteemed vendors are supported regardless of ones choice.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

We'll blame it on Wassingers kid aka, thread killa.....

 

[SHOnUup]

His other thread kind of went "poopie" so maybe that's why he started a new one. That being said, I'm all for spirited debate and I see nothing wrong as long as people don't get all emotional and butthurt. At the end of the day what matters most to me is that our esteemed vendors are supported regardless of ones choice.

Spirited debate is always fun. The one thing I think that I still am sort of confused on to be honest is that I see some of you saying you need a laptop to take advantage of all the parameters when datalogging. Is this for more parameters or just for better readings?

Rich

 

[panther427]

Its all great to discuss it....................BUT a new thread ever week asking the same question and rehashing it is old news for us.. i understand why a new person asks but we gotta make a sticky about this subject.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

His other thread kind of went "poopie" so maybe that's why he started a new one. That being said, I'm all for spirited debate and I see nothing wrong as long as people don't get all emotional and butthurt. At the end of the day what matters most to me is that our esteemed vendors are supported regardless of ones choice.

Spirited debate is always fun. The one thing I think that I still am sort of confused on to be honest is that I see some of you saying you need a laptop to take advantage of all the parameters when datalogging. Is this for more parameters or just for better readings?

Rich

I think it will provide both. My x4 gets unhappy when I load too many pids and I suspect there will be more data points with the extra processing power a laptop privides. Maybe Torrie will see this and chime in.

 

[Airbornemaikai]

Its all great to discuss it....................BUT a new thread ever week asking the same question and rehashing it is old news for us.. i understand why a new person asks but we gotta make a sticky about this subject.

^^ This

 

[panther427]

His other thread kind of went "poopie" so maybe that's why he started a new one. That being said, I'm all for spirited debate and I see nothing wrong as long as people don't get all emotional and butthurt. At the end of the day what matters most to me is that our esteemed vendors are supported regardless of ones choice.

Spirited debate is always fun. The one thing I think that I still am sort of confused on to be honest is that I see some of you saying you need a laptop to take advantage of all the parameters when datalogging. Is this for more parameters or just for better readings?

Rich

I think it will provide both. My x4 gets unhappy when I load too many pids and I suspect there will be more data points with the extra processing power a laptop privides. Maybe Torrie will see this and chime in.

I bought the Liverwire TS and it seems to work great as a data logger with out any issues with lots of pids that i can tell.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Yeah, I effed up and bought the wrong thing.

 

[BBOX]

Its all great to discuss it....................BUT a new thread ever week asking the same question and rehashing it is old news for us.. i understand why a new person asks but we gotta make a sticky about this subject.

Ideally I'd like to see three threads stickied - one that is a purely objective and factual description of LMS and Unleashed's services, including pricing, with language agreed to by the vendors and the post locked, then two more threads, one for LMS and one for Unleashed, devoted to testimonials, where the only rule would be that you have to have direct experience with the vendor you're posting about and you're not allowed to bash other vendors. It is true that these threads pop up way too often and frankly, there's more than enough information out there that it doesn't really require constant new threads, but it would be a way to cut down on the number of these types of threads.

 

[xsport]

I see that you might be annoyed that I asked the same question but I didn't get the answers I'm looking for and thought there might be more exposure here. Not sure why it would annoy anyone to have a discussion on this. I did use search and research and still could not dig up any discussion on which tune has more power and faster times AND which is more reliable.

reliability I'm asking because Livernois posted a topic on damaged SHO engines from a tune (they could not name) so I'm worried if unleashed is reliable since it sounds fairly new for the ecoboost.

 

[Airbornemaikai]

I see that you might be annoyed that I asked the same question but I didn't get the answers I'm looking for and thought there might be more exposure here. Not sure why it would annoy anyone to have a discussion on this. I did use search and research and still could not dig up any discussion on which tune has more power and faster times AND which is more reliable.

reliability I'm asking because Livernois posted a topic on damaged SHO engines from a tune (they could not name) so I'm worried if unleashed is reliable since it sounds fairly new for the ecoboost.

Now I'm not trying to bust your balls here. so bare with me on this.
If you did a search you can easily find lots of information on these tuners. You created 2 posts on this question on the same day on this forum alone. What were saying is that there is plenty of information on these tuners already out there on multiple forums. Now if you have been doing your research on this subject you realize that regardless of what route you go it can indeed void any engine warranty you have on your vehicle. So that's a decision you're going to need to make for yourself. Engines and vehicles can all have unexpected results, some perform better than others even being identical vehicles. There is so many variables to consider, the type of gas you use, the elevation you're at, the temperature, the driver, etc. Its not fair to pose a question such as which one is more reliable as there is just too much to consider and too many variables to draw that conclusion, especially based off a platform as young as the Ecoboost. I can ask a die hard Chevy fan about a vehicle that has given him nothing but problems and he will tell me he will continue to buy Chevy and list off a slew of reasons why. Its the same thing with tuners, or anything in life for that matter. Its all subjective to a degree.
People can give you personal opinions on why they chose a particular tuner over another, but that's based off their own decision to why they chose who they chose, and again, lots of those threads already exist. My own personal reason for choosing the tuner I chose is simply based off of the fact that they have the fastest tracked Explorer Sport to date, that's pretty much it. If you want to try and achieve the same types of numbers these tuners have achieved you're definitely going to have to stop worrying about everything that could go wrong. Its a gamble honestly. You're either willing to play or you're not.
All that being said, I think BBOX's idea is a good one and maybe one of these supermods can work something out

 

[panther427]

Unleashed and LMS both have a good reputation around this forum for reliable and safe tunes and happy customers.  But anything can happen. 
Power numbers seem also to be similar.  Both have produced 600 horse power cars though through different methods based on the car owners choices.

 

[xsport]

I see that you might be annoyed that I asked the same question but I didn't get the answers I'm looking for and thought there might be more exposure here. Not sure why it would annoy anyone to have a discussion on this. I did use search and research and still could not dig up any discussion on which tune has more power and faster times AND which is more reliable.

reliability I'm asking because Livernois posted a topic on damaged SHO engines from a tune (they could not name) so I'm worried if unleashed is reliable since it sounds fairly new for the ecoboost.

Now I'm not trying to bust your balls here. so bare with me on this.
If you did a search you can easily find lots of information on these tuners. You created 2 posts on this question on the same day on this forum alone. What were saying is that there is plenty of information on these tuners already out there on multiple forums. Now if you have been doing your research on this subject you realize that regardless of what route you go it can indeed void any engine warranty you have on your vehicle. So that's a decision you're going to need to make for yourself. Engines and vehicles can all have unexpected results, some perform better than others even being identical vehicles. There is so many variables to consider, the type of gas you use, the elevation you're at, the temperature, the driver, etc. Its not fair to pose a question such as which one is more reliable as there is just too much to consider and too many variables to draw that conclusion, especially based off a platform as young as the Ecoboost. I can ask a die hard Chevy fan about a vehicle that has given him nothing but problems and he will tell me he will continue to buy Chevy and list off a slew of reasons why. Its the same thing with tuners, or anything in life for that matter. Its all subjective to a degree.
People can give you personal opinions on why they chose a particular tuner over another, but that's based off their own decision to why they chose who they chose, and again, lots of those threads already exist. My own personal reason for choosing the tuner I chose is simply based off of the fact that they have the fastest tracked Explorer Sport to date, that's pretty much it. If you want to try and achieve the same types of numbers these tuners have achieved you're definitely going to have to stop worrying about everything that could go wrong. Its a gamble honestly. You're either willing to play or you're not.
All that being said, I think BBOX's idea is a good one and maybe one of these supermods can work something out

The other thread was for member intros...

I never found info on this its what people prefer and yes Im also looking into why they chose a specific tuner. I did search and could not find anything. Frankly if these types of questions bother you then I dont think forums are your thing. After all you did go and edit each and every post you had on explorer forum with a  "." Did you not? Show me a video or thread with unleashed 0-60 times?

 

[BBOX]

I see that you might be annoyed that I asked the same question but I didn't get the answers I'm looking for and thought there might be more exposure here. Not sure why it would annoy anyone to have a discussion on this. I did use search and research and still could not dig up any discussion on which tune has more power and faster times AND which is more reliable.

reliability I'm asking because Livernois posted a topic on damaged SHO engines from a tune (they could not name) so I'm worried if unleashed is reliable since it sounds fairly new for the ecoboost.

As I told you BEFORE, Unleashed has been tuning these cars for basically as long as LMS, but continue to ignore that.

 

[SHOdded]

The bottom line is:  both tuners are very good at what they do.  No reliability issues.  If you want to run canned tunes, you can.  If you want to run custom tunes, you can.  There is no one set answer here to more power/faster times, no more than there is for any other platform.  All dependent on the level of risk the user/owner is willing to assume. 

You can read the dyno sheets to see what people have achieved with their setups.

You can also read the drag time threads to get an idea of how fast these said same rides are.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I see that you might be annoyed that I asked the same question but I didn't get the answers I'm looking for and thought there might be more exposure here. Not sure why it would annoy anyone to have a discussion on this. I did use search and research and still could not dig up any discussion on which tune has more power and faster times AND which is more reliable.

reliability I'm asking because Livernois posted a topic on damaged SHO engines from a tune (they could not name) so I'm worried if unleashed is reliable since it sounds fairly new for the ecoboost.

As I told you BEFORE, Unleashed has been tuning these cars for basically as long as LMS, but continue to ignore that.

Torrie owns a SHO as well.

I can say throughout my process, Torrie has been my Ecoboost guardian angel. He has given me guidance and warned me when I wanted to make an overzealous change.

Torrie has done a fantastic job with my fuel challenged car and I pour over every datalog. Nothing short of amazing what he's been able to do with my fuel curves.

As for that Livernois tuned car that went south? Well honestly, it doesn't mean anything. A perfectly tuned car within engineered design limits can still go south if a faulty part went in when it was built. There is always risk and if you can't handle that financial risk, don't mod the car. Make sure you balance that with a large amount of tuned cars with lots of miles that have no issues.