poker got's it right awd is really special unless you live someplace you don't need it. chrysler & GM liked it so much they put it in their chargers as an option & of course the caddie xts. the interested thing which my friend with the r/t charger & i are going to attempt with bs of p measure is front wheel dominance versus rear wheel dominance. I got to believe front wheel will be better in wet weather. all i know is my tuned challenger r/t is flat out scary on a wet road & i can't imagine a hellcat on it. if you got loads of dough a great 2nd car, but for year around drivablitlity & comfort sho is a winner. too bad ford & aftermarket have treated us with such distain
Charger Hellcat is Announced - Fastest 4 Door!?!
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wasinger3000
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It would be a great car to daily drive if you live in the desert. I need awd. I had to drive the stang in a half inch of snow and it was the worst driving experience of my life. Absolutely terrible.
I wish there were more awd sedans out there. Only one that's close to the sho price wise is a 335i xdrive.
I wish there were more awd sedans out there. Only one that's close to the sho price wise is a 335i xdrive.
It's not anywhere near the fastest Sedan - this thing (I just found out about it today) is a KILLER!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi--RS-7-Drag-Racing.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yJCULa2Lus
http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi--RS-7-Drag-Racing.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yJCULa2Lus
wasinger3000
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If I had 110k cash to drop on a car I'd be sure to peddle a boat load of cash at it for mods.
Right now I would wager the Hellcat is the fastest stock sedan. The RS7 is fast but it stock trim it is not pulling low 11's. With a few mods sure but not stock.
But it is like 175% the price. And that's what makes this thing a beast. It is cheap HP. Sure we can make our cars compete against it but not easily and cheaply with full warranties. Hell, I can take a 06 STI and turn it into a 10 sec car for less than the cost of our cars. Doesn't mean I want to drive one.
For the price it is a good deal. I think we are seeing these cars as the last 'hurrah' before we lose the big monster gas guzzler motors to the new fuel requirement laws that are just over the horizon. We will see some new hybrid, electric and even hydrogen cars hitting the showroom floors soon.
Some will give the terms "sport" car/ sedan new meanings. Like the P1 and the 918 are doing in the supercar world.
But it is like 175% the price. And that's what makes this thing a beast. It is cheap HP. Sure we can make our cars compete against it but not easily and cheaply with full warranties. Hell, I can take a 06 STI and turn it into a 10 sec car for less than the cost of our cars. Doesn't mean I want to drive one.
For the price it is a good deal. I think we are seeing these cars as the last 'hurrah' before we lose the big monster gas guzzler motors to the new fuel requirement laws that are just over the horizon. We will see some new hybrid, electric and even hydrogen cars hitting the showroom floors soon.
Some will give the terms "sport" car/ sedan new meanings. Like the P1 and the 918 are doing in the supercar world.
wasinger3000
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You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.
Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.
Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.
PokerMunkee
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haha
wasinger3000
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That and have the engine face the correct way hah.ShoBoat said:
I still cannot find a car under 70k that is awd with a sub 5 sec 0-60.... it's annoying.
wasinger3000
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Ehhh not a a fan of it tbh. Considering you can take a 335i xdrive with the m sport package and make it faster with just a tune and a few parts. The 335 is cheaper to start with, insurance is cheaper, and I like it's looks more. A stock 335 m sport will 0-60 in 4.5. I could buy a used 14 will all the goodies for only 8k more than my cars worth. But I'd like to start with something higher on the speed chain.ShoBoat said:
Everything else is crazy expensive. Like the beloved E63....
wasinger3000 said:
Its not about making power. That's easy. Mazda had a rotary that made 260hp out of a 1.3liter. Mitsubishi EVO X 2.0l @ 440hp (crushes the AMG 181/liter) and there are more.
But these hellcats harken back to a day where V8's ruled. Back to a time where the adage was "there is NO replacement for displacement." When people go buy a Mustang/ Camero/ Vette they don't want a 2.7l V6 even if it is quicker than a mid nineties V8. They want the V8.
It's like transmissions. Not to long ago it was manual over a 'slush box.' Now days a Sports car guy wants a manual because he is in control. A Performance car guy wants the DCS electronic system because it is faster than any manual tranny. Even F1 doesn't allow fully automated trannies as they 'take away from the skill of the driver' and not because they are too slow.
Mark my words.... 2040 we won't see manual transmissions in anything but classic cars.
wasinger3000
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I understand what they are doing and it is cool to see companies are still able to make them.kinder said:
Everyone has there view of what a sports car should be.
PokerMunkee
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Cadillac XTS AWD Vsport does 0-60 high 4's according to some articles. LMS is adding 96WHP/104WTQ with just a tune...
PokerMunkee said:
I personally am not crazy about where Cadillac is going with their designs as of late. The new CTS and XTS are almost Fugly to me. And those driving lights? What were they thinking? Are we intentionally trying to blind on coming traffic?? I know Caddys are supposed to be over the top, but come on? I would take a 13 CTS V over the new ones with it's old school nav and all.