Dyno power gains w/ stock SHO and LMS Stage 4

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Fast SHO

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Just bought a new 2014 PP Dark Side SHO, coming from the V8 world, and have had some difficulty finding a straight answer regarding the gains of the LMS tunes.

What sort of dyno numbers, stock v. tuned, are being had with just the stage IV tune?

Some of my old cars...

Blue 2004 GTO with forged L92 + nitrous:
416 CI L92 GTO on 200 shot N20 goes 10.16!

2003 Cobra with 2.2 KB on Nuerburgring.

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I gained 45 WHP with Livernois Stage 4+.  That is their most aggressive tune for 2010-2012 at the moment.  The curve on bottom is stock, the one on top is Stage 4+. The middle is Stage 4. 
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Fast SHO said:
That is some really good power under the curve for the 4+.

What sort of longevity issues are there with the 4+?
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Not any as far as I am aware of...I've been running the 4+ in my car for almost 2 1/2 years on a daily basis and have not had an issues because of the tune.
 
There couple of guys that have nearly 100k on there cars and have been pushing them to the max since new with LMS tunes and hundred of 1/4mi pass with zero failures.
 
BiGMaC said:
you guys are just trying to get me to void my powertrain warranty...  :blowup:
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The sooner you do it, the less you'll kick yourself later.
 
I recently installed my tune on my 2012 MKS. Love it. No problems so far(I've got 8k miles). I've also had a 2011 SHO in the past that had stage 4, I bet the crap out of that car and never had a issue.
 
I'm sure it will feel right at home.  If you are in Germany, I'm hoping LMS can unlock and tune remotely.  I know they will email you a link to your tunes but never heard if they need hands on to clear the old vehicle.  Did you check with them?
 
BiGMaC said:
you guys are just trying to get me to void my powertrain warranty...  :blowup:
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Adding a Tune DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY VOID YOUR WARRANTY!!!!!!!!!! If you have a failure the dealer needs to show that the TUNE caused and/or contributed to it. Read the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act - link provided below. NOW you may have to fight a dealer/manufacturer decision BUT a tune does not void your warranty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act
 
I agree with the spirit... and everything you point out. They must prove the mod "contributed" to the failure.  Below is a link to a Ford TSB on the official process they use to do this and voiding warranty, at least with F150 and mustangs through 2012 models.  Any new info or case law would be appreciated.  I imagine that if it gets beyond your local dealer it will be an uphill battle.  Not trying to be negative, I really want a tune.

http://thehorsepowerjunkies.com/blogpdf/ford_tuning_tsb.pdf
 
vernonator said:
BiGMaC said:
you guys are just trying to get me to void my powertrain warranty...  :blowup:
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Adding a Tune DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY VOID YOUR WARRANTY!!!!!!!!!! If you have a failure the dealer needs to show that the TUNE caused and/or contributed to it. Read the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act - link provided below. NOW you may have to fight a dealer/manufacturer decision BUT a tune does not void your warranty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act
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That has been said over and over on every board I have been on in the past 6 years.  However, when your vehicle is in pieces and Ford says "NO"  please explain how one is supposed to fight them...  How many years and how much money are you willing to pay to prove you are right???  Ford has spelled it out very completely and simply in several of their bulletins to dealers on what is considered things that void the warranty. Aftermarket tunes is one of those items.

This is not just my opinion... it has happened to me... $8,400... (Ford  Re-MFG long block plus installation at Ford dlr)  In summary:  "IF YOU PLAY... BE READY TO PAY..."
 
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