E-85 injection vs meth injection

TY for the compliments. Appreciated & certainly not necessary.

I love racing (& driving aggressively). I mean after all, when people call 911, they expect prompt arrival. So it's inherent to my profession to drive more on the edge, then not.

As far as fuel curves, I would think that info is on file with my tuner, but frankly I never asked for it. I can try?

Moving along, I have had nothing less than a stellar experience with the Methanol.

As long as the systems are installed properly, I see no reasons (or fears) for employing it's use. I mean short of my pump failure (which I created a thread on previously) I've had no issues at all in the nearly 3.5yrs I've been running it.

I think any fears of it's continued use (&/or it's perceived shortcomings) are drastically over amplified.

Ironic as far as costs go, & one's desires to achieve more power.

The adage "you gotta pay to play" applies. I guess I'm thankful I have great pump gas options, as well as relatively cheap Methanol & Race Gas options so close to me (less than 5min for all/each).

I've seen some alleged shipping costs on those products & holy hell Batman!

No wonder some of you look for alternatives.

As much as I shy away from E85, I do find it interesting that recent legislative proposals (in City of Chicago only) have been floated around proposing a minimum floor of E15 (in lieu of the State standard of E10) being implemented.

Of course I'm not naive to dispel the political & economical forces at play in those proposals. But there must be some substance there in & of itself for the ideations to even be brought forth to begin with.

Again, we certainly all possess similar goals, but it"s nice knowing we each embrace different ways to go about achieving them.

Cont'd successes FoMoCoSHO! :ok:
 
My question about the fuel curves is how WMI translates to higher rail psi or is rail pressure still numerically down but the overall picture is good.  Hopefully that makes sense.
 
FoMoCoSHO

Can't speak to the merits of E-85 vrs methanol.
But you can get methanol near Kil-kare for $2.75 per gallon at Duncan Oil.
Duncan Oil also has a location in Springfield - not sure if they have methanol - but I think you're in Columbus so that would be closer for you.
 
Well on the good side, I can now provide a LPFP to support 750WHP of E85 for $700.00 YAY!
I'll post up pictures and link to the store once I get them. This week is going to be a pain as I'll be in TX as of 1AM for the rest of the week to coach my son at national wrestling tournament.
2 cars are in process of BIG BUILDS on E85, upgraded rods/pistons, ported heads, possible cams and of course aux injectors and upgraded fuel pumps to support E85 fuel which is the best possible solution for BIG POWER without spending BIG MONEY.
:) Heck what do I know, 750WHP on my V - yup it's on CORN. :D


The LPFP does need upgrade if you want to run E85, it doesn't have enough pump to run it, PERIOD.
If you want to run meth and race gas so be it but your cost per gallon goes up massively.
Around $3k or so for full fuel system - aux injectors, intake modified with injector bungs/fuel rails, ProEFI 48 etc. You can get E85 in most places for around $2 a gallon vs $15 a gallon for C16 around here (requires removal of cats) + meth on top of that. At $13 a gallon it doesn't take much to hit $3K.
I drive my V around town on E85 and it drinks fuel heavily but at $2.00 a gallon I'm quite OK with that compared to running C16 all the time. The cooling properties of the ethanol also outweighs the race gas scenario.
 
EcoPowerParts said:
Well on the good side, I can now provide a LPFP to support 750WHP of E85 for $700.00 YAY!
I'll post up pictures and link to the store once I get them. This week is going to be a pain as I'll be in TX as of 1AM for the rest of the week to coach my son at national wrestling tournament.
2 cars are in process of BIG BUILDS on E85, upgraded rods/pistons, ported heads, possible cams and of course aux injectors and upgraded fuel pumps to support E85 fuel which is the best possible solution for BIG POWER without spending BIG MONEY.
:) Heck what do I know, 750WHP on my V - yup it's on CORN. :D


The LPFP does need upgrade if you want to run E85, it doesn't have enough pump to run it, PERIOD.
If you want to run meth and race gas so be it but your cost per gallon goes up massively.
Around $3k or so for full fuel system - aux injectors, intake modified with injector bungs/fuel rails, ProEFI 48 etc. You can get E85 in most places for around $2 a gallon vs $15 a gallon for C16 around here (requires removal of cats) + meth on top of that. At $13 a gallon it doesn't take much to hit $3K.
I drive my V around town on E85 and it drinks fuel heavily but at $2.00 a gallon I'm quite OK with that compared to running C16 all the time. The cooling properties of the ethanol also outweighs the race gas scenario.
Very nice....

Rich

 
HtrdMKS said:
FoMoCoSHO

Can't speak to the merits of E-85 vrs methanol.
But you can get methanol near Kil-kare for $2.75 per gallon at Duncan Oil.
Duncan Oil also has a location in Springfield - not sure if they have methanol - but I think you're in Columbus so that would be closer for you.
Nope, I'm around you but driving out there every week year round would be a serious pita.

On my priority list, cost is the lowest consideration, it would just be a bonus of using E-85.




 
BTW, some people are going to be REALLY pissed when the truck E85 fuel system comes out and we make 550+WHP on stock turbos on E85...
:D
 
EcoPowerParts said:
BTW, some people are going to be REALLY pissed when the truck E85 fuel system comes out and we make 550+WHP on stock turbos on E85...
:D
Any chance you have compared an F-150 injector side by side with a SHO injector?

My research indicates part of our HPFP E-85 issues are caused by higher viscosity of the E-85 coupled with a larger molecular chain actually increasing friction and backpressure. Spray patterns are similar but actually getting it through the whole seems problematic.
 
I just wish there were even a semblance of a drivetrain solution for handling the higher hp/tq levels that the engines are so obviously capable of delivering.  Maybe start with HD gear sets and axles, combine that with a bit of TCM magic.
 
EcoPowerParts said:
BTW, some people are going to be REALLY pissed when the truck E85 fuel system comes out and we make 550+WHP on stock turbos on E85...
:D

I believe it. The Borg warners have a little better upside than our Garret's without running out of breath.

Does anyone have the pump curves for the hpfp?
 
SHOdded said:
I just wish there were even a semblance of a drivetrain solution for handling the higher hp/tq levels that the engines are so obviously capable of delivering.  Maybe start with HD gear sets and axles, combine that with a bit of TCM magic.
For my purposes, I just want to get to 11's on the stock hardware. I doubt if I would drive around at that power level all the time. The only thing I'm really concerned about is tranny longevity. Mine is starting to act a little wonky. 1st order of business is getting some proper fluid in it.
 
SHOdded said:
I just wish there were even a semblance of a drivetrain solution for handling the higher hp/tq levels that the engines are so obviously capable of delivering.  Maybe start with HD gear sets and axles, combine that with a bit of TCM magic.
X2

Rich

 
SHOnUup said:
SHOdded said:
I just wish there were even a semblance of a drivetrain solution for handling the higher hp/tq levels that the engines are so obviously capable of delivering.  Maybe start with HD gear sets and axles, combine that with a bit of TCM magic.
X2


Rich
X3... Maybe the work on the new Ford GT will pave the way
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
SHOdded said:
I just wish there were even a semblance of a drivetrain solution for handling the higher hp/tq levels that the engines are so obviously capable of delivering.  Maybe start with HD gear sets and axles, combine that with a bit of TCM magic.
For my purposes, I just want to get to 11's on the stock hardware. I doubt if I would drive around at that power level all the time. The only thing I'm really concerned about is tranny longevity. Mine is starting to act a little wonky. 1st order of business is getting some proper fluid in it.

That's the nice thing about running the Meth & the Race Gas.....

It's temporary. Your usage is contingent on how often you may want to use it.

In other words, you're not committing yourself to $3k+ worth of equipment to run at all those insane power levels all the time.

Most of us are weekend warriors at the most, who may track our cars only on occasions.

Not out to build full blown balls to the walls race cars.

You & SHOdded bring up great points about the drive train & it's longevity. Of which is the next biggest hurdle for the platform.

Not necessarily more HP.

 
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