Explorer lawsuit

BlueSHO

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Hey did you guys see this about a lawsuit filed because of the exhaust gas intrusion into the passenger compartment on Explorer's?
http://news10.com/2017/02/15/lawsuit-claims-ford-explorers-may-be-making-hundreds-of-owners-sick/

DETROIT, MI (WCMH) — A lawsuit filed by a California police officer claims a defect in Ford Explorers can leak poisonous gasses into the SUV.

NBC affiliate WDIV reports that more than 400 people have filed complaints with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

In the lawsuit, Newport Beach, California police officer Brian McDowell claims he suffered a traumatic brain injury after he passed out while driving a Ford Explorer. McDowell’s lawyer told WDIV that McDowell was responding to a call when he felt sick and blacked out. He said he didn’t remember anything else until he was cut out of the car.

“Here’s a deadly weapon being driven by nobody because they have carbon monoxide poisoning,” the attorney said.

The attorney claims Ford Explorers from model years 2011 through 2015 are affected.

According to an investigation notice from the NTSB, operating the vehicle at full throttle while climbing steep grades or getting onto the freeway or using the air conditioner in recirculation mode contributed to an exhaust smell in the car.

Ford released the following statement to WDIV:

We take the safety of our customers very seriously and will cooperate with NHTSA on this investigation, as we always do. In rare circumstances, there have been instances where customers detected an exhaust odor in Explorers. While it poses no safety risk, customers can and are encouraged to contact their local Ford dealer to address any concerns.

Retired Army vet Ron Booth tells CBS Newsthat he has taken his explorer into the shop several times for repairs, but nothing has solved the problem. He now drives with a carbon monoxide detector in his car as a precaution.


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Yeah I think I saw that as I used to have a 13 XSPORT but this was the first lawsuit I had seen especially from a police officer who was affected.

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BlueSHO said:
Yeah I think I saw that as I used to have a 13 XSPORT but this was the first lawsuit I had seen especially from a police officer who was affected.

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Its certainly scary knowing the fact you need to install a carbon monoxide detector in there vehicles as precautionary measures is certainly not a good thing like LEA don't have other things to worry about!!! Z :(
 
Having retired from that profession our dept had '13 & '14 Explorers and experienced no issues as described. But, we also changed to a local equipment installer. These guys are fantastic. They even include a full color wiring diagram booklet of their work for every vehicle.

I've also stripped the equipment out of several old vehicles and found the original installation of the equipment was some of the shoddiest I've seen. (NOT done by the mentioned installer)
They blow holes through the sheet metal, popped out rubber body plugs, run the wires and simply slap some duct tape over the holes.
On one they popped out a roughly 1 1/2" X 4" plug in the driver's footwell to run wires and didn't even bother to seal it. There must have been 2 lbs of sand under the floor mat and the floor was rusted out. The WTF? moments were endless.

We got some cars out of a place in NJ.. These cars were factory "pre-wired" for the light bar and other equipment and the pig tail connector was in the trunk. Simply run the cables, connect them  to the pigtail and plug it in...
These nimrods CUT the pre-wire harness under the glove box at the connector, butchered connections were twisted together and simply wrapped with tape.. those cars had loads of electrical issues. 

Anyway, a lot of these issues may be related to equipment installation companies slapping equipment on as fast as possible and pushing them out the door with no regard for properly sealing holes and whatnot.

OK, rant off... LOL
 
207 is dead on!  I had an Atlanta PD detectives Crown Vic PI.  It was loaded with the civilian package, power seats, cruise, windows, etc.  With the options it was basically a CV with good brakes, suspension, and a little more power.

Anyway...I had odor and noise entering the cabin.  Searched forever before I found a giant hole in the firewall behind the dash from a shoddy aftermarket wiring install.  They just used a hole saw and ran wires through the hole with no grommet.  Guarantee you the previous detective inhaled those fumes for 4 years before I bought the car.
 
X2 @ above.  To Seal or not to seal.!!!!
Pertaining to electrical gremlins can be contributed by having no seal on the firewall letting in water,carbon monoxide that enters the cabinet through the Dashboard and HVAC which affects your wiring and then modules which ultimately water ends up on your passenger side foot well. Z
 
Agreed w/ 207.

23yrs in the field here & ticking off another 7 before retirement arrives, but YES!

Tons upon tons of shoddy, 1/2 @$$ aftermarket installers really do do some shady work.

It's downright scary. I've even seen a few squads go up in flames due entirely to shoddy install work.

It's pathetic, but it's typical of government and almost always accepting the lowest bidder on everything.

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SHOdded said:
They do it in the military, so I guess police is fair game.  SAD.

A person I worked with said that while they were in the military (MP) they went out to relieve a fellow MP at his assigned post only to find the soldier dead in the vehicle from carbon monoxide poisoning. 
Really sad...
 
FORD EXPLORER CARBON MONOXIDE INVESTIGATION (UPGRADED) !!
September 15, 2017 — A Ford Explorer carbon monoxide investigation has been upgraded after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) wasn't pleased with Ford response to the investigation.

The original investigation was opened in 2016 and included 2011-2015 Explorers, then expanded in July 2017 to include additional model years. NHTSA says it found additional customer reports related to exhaust odors, along with three crashes and 41 injuries.

Customers complain about symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning including nausea, headaches and dizziness, but a few people also report losing consciousness while driving.

Ford provided safety regulators with 2,400 owner complaints, legal claims and warranty claims involving 2,051 SUVs, in addition to providing details about Ford's own investigation. Z

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/ford-explorer-carbon-monoxide-investigation-upgraded.shtml
 
UPDATE
FORD EXPLORER CARBON MONOXIDE FEARS WILL BE CALMED Without calling it a recall, Ford will make repairs to 1.4 million non-police Ford Explorer SUVs.

October 13, 2017 — Ford Explorer carbon monoxide and exhaust fume concerns will be tackled by the automaker as Ford announced "complimentary service" for 1.4 million model year 2011-2017 non-police Explorers in North America.

Ford insists the SUVs are perfectly safe to drive and the "complimentary service" is not an official recall. The automaker says an internal investigation "has not found carbon monoxide levels that exceed what people are exposed to every day." Z

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/ford-explorer-carbon-monoxide-fears.shtml
 
FORD EXPLORER CARBON MONOXIDE RECALL NEEDED, SAYS SAFETY

January 25, 2018 — A Ford Explorer carbon monoxide recall is the only way to ensure exhaust fume leaks are permanently fixed in about 1.3 million SUVs in the U.S., according to a letter sent to Ford from the Center for Auto Safety (CAS).

CAS claims carbon monoxide complaints have increased 900 percent since NHTSA opened its investigation in July 2016, and the Center says that doesn't count more than 2,000 complaints Ford received from customers.

Ford announced a "complimentary service" program in October 2017 for about 1.4 million model year 2011-2017 Explorers in the U.S., Canada and Mexico, with about 1.3 million of those SUVs on American roads.

The non-recall "program" continues until December 31, 2018, with dealers sealing the rear of the SUVs, reprogramming the air conditioners and replacing liftgate drain valves.

CAS says Ford should take the extra and necessary steps by ordering an official recall to replace cracked exhaust manifolds that allow carbon monoxide to enter the cabins. The manifolds are a target for federal investigators who have found evidence of cracks allowing exhaust fumes and carbon monoxide into the SUVs.  Z

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/ford-explorer-carbon-monoxide-recall-needed.shtml
 
Our 13 Explorer has had the recall completed and my dealer did a great job with it.  But they are a very good dealer and have always went above and beyond to do quality work.
 
FORD DOOR AJAR SENSOR LAWSUIT SAYS WARNING LIGHTS STAY ON.

March 18, 2018 — A Ford "door ajar" sensor lawsuit claims the sensors send false signals that the doors are open when they are in fact closed. 
According to the plaintiffs, the door latch assembly uses an electro-mechanical switch (sensor) that detects whether the door is open or closed based on the voltage signal received from the sensor. In addition, a body control module monitors the voltage from the door latch switch to determine whether the door is open or closed. 

The lawsuit alleges that when the switch indicates the door is closed, the module sends a "wetting current" through the electrical connector from the door latch switch to the control module that is meant to keep the sensor clean from oxidation. The oxidation typically comes from humidity and moisture, but the wetting current is too low to keep the switch clean.  Z

Included in the class-action lawsuit are the:

2011-2016 Ford Edge
2012-2014 Ford Flex
2013-2014 Ford Explorer
2011-2013 Lincoln MKX

2013 Lincoln MKT


https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/ford-door-ajar-sensor-lawsuit-lights-stay-on.shtml
 
FORD EXPLORER EXHAUST LEAK RECALL NEEDED: SAFETY GROUP
Center for Auto Safety says Ford should recall 1.3 million Ford Explorers over exhaust leaks.  Z

JULY 4, 2018 — A Ford Explorer exhaust leak recall should be ordered for 2011-2017 SUVs to prevent occupants from exhaust fumes and carbon monoxide, according to the Center for Auto Safety (CAS).

The safety agency says customers continue to complain about exhaust leaks in the cabins of the Explorers even after Ford dealers allegedly fixed the leaks.

It's been two years since the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) opened an investigation into possible exhaust leaks in about 1.3 million SUVs in the U.S. According to the Center, while NHTSA has failed to complete the investigation, Ford has also failed to fix the exhaust and carbon monoxide danger.

The exhaust leak issue has followed Ford with a grim persistence for the past few years after customers complained of smelling exhaust fumes and getting sick while in the Explorers.

CAS claims carbon monoxide complaints have increased dramitically since NHTSA opened its investigation in July 2016, and the complaints continued to increase after Ford announced a "complimentary service" program in October 2017 for about 1.3 million 2011-2017 Explorers in the U.S.

Ford says it will keep the program open until December 31, 2018, requiring dealers to seal the rear of the SUVs, reprogram the air conditioners and replace liftgate drain valves.

http://m.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/ford-explorer-exhaust-leak-recall.shtml[/url
 
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