F150 vs SHO rotating assembly

[Spenser281]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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[FoMoCoSHO]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I can pretty much guarantee you that they are not forged.  Outside of the Terminator Cobra and Ford GT's, I can't think of a modern Ford with forged connecting rods.  I'm sure there are others, but they are that rare.

Boss's do.

I didn't know that. Thanks!  That makes 3.  Maybe the GT350 also?  Still shows how rarely Ford uses forged rods.  All of these examples are specialty cars.  Not that an SHO isn't special, but a 3.5 EB is not exactly into the realm of special on it's own merits.

Not sure of your plans, but I wouldn't think forged rods are exactly necessary unless you're thinking of going BIG!

Not really thinking of going big, BUT....brand new rods from Ford are just under $40/each.  So if mine were powdered metal, and the F150's were forged, I'd spend the extra $250 for forged rods.  However, it would appear they are the same.  So no use in making a change.  Thanks for the help here guys!

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How many hours did the dealership quote you for the shortblock swap?

 

[SHOdded]

The plate/brace makes the deck stable, so your options increase correspondingly.  The more stroke you have, the more vibration you are going to have in the engine at the top of the stroke if it is not properly braced (layman's opinion).  Plus I like to keep the pistons away from the valves

 

[firewater88]

Accurate info.....

LMS does make deck plates,  along with a whole slew of upgraded internals and other "go fast" performance parts.

They're not just simply into tuning only.

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Just got a quote for a stage 1 motor built by them. Very detailed and very pricey. Still had to add turbos and exhaust to really get the potential of the built motor and tune.
Too rich for my wallet...

 

[Spenser281]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Ohhhhhhh!  Okay.  I just now saw your pictures that you posted.  You're referring to the deck braces that, in theory, convert our open deck design block into more of a closed deck design.  I thought you were referring to actual deck plates that bolt on top of the deck to allow the ability to further increase the stroke.  My mistake, I couldn't see the pictures on my phone.

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[SHOdded]

You are right, I should have said deck braces

 

[Spenser281]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

A stroker simply means increasing the stroke, or rather, the distance the piston travels in the cylinder, which in turn, results in increasing the displacement.  Since an engine is essentially a large air pump, the more air you can pump, the more power you can make (provided all other components work together).  When the stroke is increased, the piston travels further down and further up in the cylinder, which draws (or in our case, allows the turbos to pump in) in more air on the intake stroke, and thus, giving the cylinder more air to compress.  It will also increase the compression ratio, provided you use the same pistons.

The end result is more torque and more horsepower, again, provided the rest of the components support the extra volume.

 

[Spenser281]

I can pretty much guarantee you that they are not forged.  Outside of the Terminator Cobra and Ford GT's, I can't think of a modern Ford with forged connecting rods.  I'm sure there are others, but they are that rare.

Boss's do.

I didn't know that. Thanks!  That makes 3.  Maybe the GT350 also?  Still shows how rarely Ford uses forged rods.  All of these examples are specialty cars.  Not that an SHO isn't special, but a 3.5 EB is not exactly into the realm of special on it's own merits.

Not sure of your plans, but I wouldn't think forged rods are exactly necessary unless you're thinking of going BIG!

Not really thinking of going big, BUT....brand new rods from Ford are just under $40/each.  So if mine were powdered metal, and the F150's were forged, I'd spend the extra $250 for forged rods.  However, it would appear they are the same.  So no use in making a change.  Thanks for the help here guys!

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How many hours did the dealership quote you for the shortblock swap?

They haven't yet.  More than likely, I will have Livernois assemble the engine from throttle body to oil pan and just have Ford swap the engines, as opposed to having Ford assemble the engine.  I think I trust Livernois more to handle assembly than I do my Ford dealership......is that bad???

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

A stroker simply means increasing the stroke, or rather, the distance the piston travels in the cylinder, which in turn, results in increasing the displacement.  Since an engine is essentially a large air pump, the more air you can pump, the more power you can make (provided all other components work together).  When the stroke is increased, the piston travels further down and further up in the cylinder, which draws (or in our case, allows the turbos to pump in) in more air on the intake stroke, and thus, giving the cylinder more air to compress.  It will also increase the compression ratio, provided you use the same pistons.

The end result is more torque and more horsepower, again, provided the rest of the components support the extra volume.

LME shortblock $5500
Super Six ported head/intake with upgraded springs $2050
Upgraded Turbos $2500

If my math is right, around 12 grand for everything installed.

That presents an interesting and much cheaper alternative to buying a whole new car.

 

[BOT_ROCKET]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

A stroker simply means increasing the stroke, or rather, the distance the piston travels in the cylinder, which in turn, results in increasing the displacement.  Since an engine is essentially a large air pump, the more air you can pump, the more power you can make (provided all other components work together).  When the stroke is increased, the piston travels further down and further up in the cylinder, which draws (or in our case, allows the turbos to pump in) in more air on the intake stroke, and thus, giving the cylinder more air to compress.  It will also increase the compression ratio, provided you use the same pistons.

The end result is more torque and more horsepower, again, provided the rest of the components support the extra volume.

Don't forget increased torque from the added leverage of the longer stroke.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

A stroker simply means increasing the stroke, or rather, the distance the piston travels in the cylinder, which in turn, results in increasing the displacement.  Since an engine is essentially a large air pump, the more air you can pump, the more power you can make (provided all other components work together).  When the stroke is increased, the piston travels further down and further up in the cylinder, which draws (or in our case, allows the turbos to pump in) in more air on the intake stroke, and thus, giving the cylinder more air to compress.  It will also increase the compression ratio, provided you use the same pistons.

The end result is more torque and more horsepower, again, provided the rest of the components support the extra volume.

LME shortblock $5500
Super Six ported head/intake with upgraded springs $2050
Upgraded Turbos $2500

If my math is right, around 12 grand for everything installed.

That presents an interesting and much cheaper alternative to buying a whole new car.

I would hold off until the SEMA show before making a call on heads...HINT HINT. You should also note that the ATP kit has different pricing if you are offering your snails as cores. We also use a proprietary sized turbo pairing than the OTS ATP kit. Just a couple quick asides.

Your quick math seems to be fairly accurate, HOWEVER do not forget about tuning. This is something that will need to be strapped down to a dyno and expertly tuned. Notice the adjective.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Livernois is the only one I am aware of that has deck plates for this application.  I have no idea on the cost tho.

Kinda the before

and after

Probably more than I can afford, unfortunately.  So does this mean that these engines CAN'T be stroked with out the use of deck plates?

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What would be the advantage of a stroker?

A stroker simply means increasing the stroke, or rather, the distance the piston travels in the cylinder, which in turn, results in increasing the displacement.  Since an engine is essentially a large air pump, the more air you can pump, the more power you can make (provided all other components work together).  When the stroke is increased, the piston travels further down and further up in the cylinder, which draws (or in our case, allows the turbos to pump in) in more air on the intake stroke, and thus, giving the cylinder more air to compress.  It will also increase the compression ratio, provided you use the same pistons.

The end result is more torque and more horsepower, again, provided the rest of the components support the extra volume.

LME shortblock $5500
Super Six ported head/intake with upgraded springs $2050
Upgraded Turbos $2500

If my math is right, around 12 grand for everything installed.

That presents an interesting and much cheaper alternative to buying a whole new car.

I would hold off until the SEMA show before making a call on heads...HINT HINT. You should also note that the ATP kit has different pricing if you are offering your snails as cores. We also use a proprietary sized turbo pairing than the OTS ATP kit. Just a couple quick asides.

Your quick math seems to be fairly accurate, HOWEVER do not forget about tuning. This is something that will need to be strapped down to a dyno and expertly tuned. Notice the adjective.

No calls needed yet, I just like to have my contingency fund prepped and ready just in case the worst were to happen.

A one shot deal would be preferable to mixing parts though.

I hope that head package and upgraded turbos will allow for some higher revs though.

You guys probably wouldn't want to mess with tuning me.

I'm super picky and have a slight severe E85 addiction.