Finally Tuned!!! But wait .. Snow

[ElvenSho]

Do you think Ford Motor Company offers tunes for different seasons?

Umm no. They don't. And they're equally as safe as an aftermarket tune is, when going WOT.

I routinely go WOT during the Winter months (when road conditions permit) on my DD driven tune file and have experienced ZERO ISSUES.

@ ElvenSho.... We all get the fact that you don't agree with certain vendors who don't care for data logging (& the explanations why have been explained numerous times) versus those vendors who do.....

Please..... Enough already.

All the tunes, offered by all the vendors are safe. Some just utilize different means to obtain an end. Move on already. Geezuz.

I am sorry you feel that way about me asking some questions. I never stated Unleashed tune is better then any other company. I was just questioning and trying to learn stuff. I guess even with a tune the car can still adjust as in your case, which I was not sure about.

 

[Wojomojo]

I run my 91 octane tune up in northern mn using the winter blend 91. No problems, even at 16psi. Car runs great. That being said, the nearest gas station that offers 93 octane is over 100 miles away, or I might consider running 93. Either way it's not something you should be really worried about. Like others have stated, the car is smarter than you think, and it'll make sure it's not destroying itself in situations like that.

 

[SHOnUup]

Hope the snow clears for ya soon enough to rightfully test out the new found breeze that propels the sails of the land yacht to sub 4 sec 0-60 pulls.

I'm running the 93 tune from Livernois also, have been all winter. At the arrival of winter blend fuel I watched some timing being pulled more than usual in "lugging" conditions, but at WOT the car was still in safe areas I felt (+1.5 kr at max through torque pro). Started to add a little e/85 (1.5 gallons) to each tank.

Cured the higher readings I was seeing and still in a safe area for ethanol %.

I do get fuel from a high traffic, nice car area(3,500 gallons of premium a week), from a fuel provider suggested by Livernois for our area....BP

Just be sure that all the fluids in the car are up to operating temps before getting on it in the cold. Even after letting car warm up for 10 minutes, it still takes another 10 minutes of driving to get the trans temp up to 100* in this cold.

Good luck with ecobeast, can't wait to hear your thoughts on the tune.


Rich

 

[moem1090]

I run my 91 octane tune up in northern mn using the winter blend 91. No problems, even at 16psi. Car runs great. That being said, the nearest gas station that offers 93 octane is over 100 miles away, or I might consider running 93. Either way it's not something you should be really worried about. Like others have stated, the car is smarter than you think, and it'll make sure it's not destroying itself in situations like that.

Thanks for your input

 

[bpd1151]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

 

[moem1090]

Hope the snow clears for ya soon enough to rightfully test out the new found breeze that propels the sails of the land yacht to sub 4 sec 0-60 pulls.

I'm running the 93 tune from Livernois also, have been all winter. At the arrival of winter blend fuel I watched some timing being pulled more than usual in "lugging" conditions, but at WOT the car was still in safe areas I felt (+1.5 kr at max through torque pro). Started to add a little e/85 (1.5 gallons) to each tank.

Cured the higher readings I was seeing and still in a safe area for ethanol %.

I do get fuel from a high traffic, nice car area(3,500 gallons of premium a week), from a fuel provider suggested by Livernois for our area....BP

Just be sure that all the fluids in the car are up to operating temps before getting on it in the cold. Even after letting car warm up for 10 minutes, it still takes another 10 minutes of driving to get the trans temp up to 100* in this cold.

Good luck with ecobeast, can't wait to hear your thoughts on the tune.


Rich

Haha thank you. I will be posting how the yacht feels soon enough on clean highways.

 

[moem1090]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

Thanks Mike, we did start going into a direction that I was unaware of so I appreciate all the clarity. The streets are actually pretty clean out today in some areas so I'm hoping I can get a good test run on my way to the city later this evening

 

[ElvenSho]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

hey bro I am not sure why your feeling the way you are, it might be that you have a tune that has not been datalogged? Not sure and really don't care. That statement could have been made for any tunes even the logged ones during summer time but using them in winter or logged in winter and used in summer... I would not recommend using a 93 tune in winter unless you know for sure the gas is good just after reading peoples responses in this thread. Yes it probably works and will be fine but do you want to take a chance? Its not like you will be going around racing anyways.

 

[ElvenSho]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

Thanks Mike, we did start going into a direction that I was unaware of so I appreciate all the clarity. The streets are actually pretty clean out today in some areas so I'm hoping I can get a good test run on my way to the city later this evening

have fun, be safe and don't get pulled over lol.

 

[ZSHO]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

AMEN TO THAT)hallelujah)

 

[J-Will]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

where were you in the other thread during the whole "each engine is different" argument was raised, and I was personally attacked for something about Kool-Aid and my brain (still dont understand what that means... maybe that was his point)? 

 

[ZSHO]

The tune in your ECU(Elrctronic control unit)contro;s every aspect of the engines operation,fuel,variable valve timing,rev limits,speed limirers,and many other functions,an experienced tuner like LME,Unleashed,is capable of writing a well balanced customized performance tune that is safe for all seasons,so relax and enjoy cause spring is around the corner.

 

[bpd1151]

hey bro I am not sure why your feeling the way you are, it might be that you have a tune that has not been datalogged? Not sure and really don't care. That statement could have been made for any tunes even the logged ones during summer time but using them in winter or logged in winter and used in summer...

Umm maybe I feel that way because the OP never once brought up datalogging for Winter Fuels. You did.

See/Refer below:

So did you get a tune specifically for the winter gas? I guess I am just trying to figure out how a tune without sending data logs can be as effective? I wouldn't feel as safe going WOT with it. Maybe the car still adjusts for it somehow?

Then once you follow it up with your comments about being Torrie tuned, and go even one step further (by overtly implying people who don't datalog can potentially blow up their engines) is just ludicrous.

See/Refer Below:

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes. It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

If you truly are desiring to learn about variations between seasonal blends, then go start a thread yourself on that very subject matter.

You don't need to come in here and crap on the OP's thread by making him worry that his engine will blow up because he, or others, don't datalog.

I can keep at this all day if I so choose.

Your implications aren't cared for. That's all.

Carry on.

 

[wasinger3000]

#justaddmeth.

 

[ElvenSho]

hey bro I am not sure why your feeling the way you are, it might be that you have a tune that has not been datalogged? Not sure and really don't care. That statement could have been made for any tunes even the logged ones during summer time but using them in winter or logged in winter and used in summer...

Umm maybe I feel that way because the OP never once brought up datalogging for Winter Fuels. You did.

See/Refer below:

So did you get a tune specifically for the winter gas? I guess I am just trying to figure out how a tune without sending data logs can be as effective? I wouldn't feel as safe going WOT with it. Maybe the car still adjusts for it somehow?

Then once you follow it up with your comments about being Torrie tuned, and go even one step further (by overtly implying people who don't datalog can potentially blow up their engines) is just ludicrous.

See/Refer Below:

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes. It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

If you truly are desiring to learn about variations between seasonal blends, then go start a thread yourself on that very subject matter.

You don't need to come in here and crap on the OP's thread by making him worry that his engine will blow up because he, or others, don't datalog.

I can keep at this all day if I so choose.

Your implications aren't cared for. That's all.

Carry on.

So you'd rather not make him aware of the issue with winter gas and his tune that was written more then likely on summer gas while he is using winter gas? You are telling me there is no difference even though there is people in this thread stating there is? You would not make the OP aware of what COULD potentially happen but it does not mean it WILL. W/e dude I am not going to waste my time with you. OP I am sorry If I made you "worried about blowing up your engine" with some truth that some people in this thread do not like to hear.

 

[ElvenSho]

Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn’t have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

where were you in the other thread during the whole "each engine is different" argument was raised, and I was personally attacked for something about Kool-Aid and my brain (still dont understand what that means... maybe that was his point)?

Every engine/car is different, Torrie had to adjust my base tune that he sent me because my fuel pump could not keep up. People are just funny these days.

 

[J-Will]

#justaddmeth.

lol, I want to.  I'm waiting on a noisemaker eliminator pipe with a nozzle holder built in.

 

[wasinger3000]

#justaddmeth.

lol, I want to.  I'm waiting on a noisemaker eliminator pipe with a nozzle holder built in.

You will love it.. just don't tell anyone you ordered a meth kit.... lol

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Well, I guess this needs to be discussed again.

First and foremost, if you know what you are doing with the tune on these cars, you don't need to datalog after you've developed your tuning. Why? Because by tuning the correct parameters in the car, the ECU controls everything. Now, if someone were adding boost lets say, and doing it a way that worked, but the ECU's logic was fighting it because it wasn't the right way, of course you would need to log it to get things under control because you are making the ECU do something it doesn't want to do, and then since it was fighting an "error" it would react differently on every car based on where it is at climate, and elevation wise.

This is why we tune a certain way, and why we only log when in our facility, under controlled situations. This way we can simulate conditions, and do everything hands on.

Now, getting back to winter blend fuel, and changes in fuel from location to location. If you are tuning that on the edge that it is requiring different tunes, then you are really walking a fine line.

We would never tune something that on the edge that a slight change in fuel would impact it. Even if it did, we leave all of the safeties on to help protect things as much as possible, just like the OEM does. And as mentioned, Ford doesn't have you running around trying to help them get your car running as it should, and neither do we.

Having a complete understanding of the way these engines, and their control systems work is what allows us to run faster than "logged" tunes, without ever seeing a log, or the car. Our custom tunes we send out the first time, do what they are supposed to, and outrun cars with more boost, more timing, more mods, etc, etc.

So, no, you don't need to log, you don't need to worry about logging, and you definitely aren't going to blow up your car from not doing so.

 

[SHOdded]

Meh, another tuner debate ...  People like different things, doesn't make one right/wrong or better/worse.  Please try not to to take comments personally, and focus on the meat of the discussion.  Internet is not the best at context ...

Bottom line:
PCM smart enough to protect you
You won' t hurt your car by giving it a little better fuel than it expects, hence my 93 winter gas on 91 tune recommendation.
Follow your tuner's recommendation with regards to fuel, including precautions.  For example, 4X requires 93, no its or buts.
Use a reputable tuner with a good track record
ENJOY!