Full hard pipe CAI from FastLaneTurbo 3.5 EB

Getting a test mule has been exceptionally difficult, plus Mike has been so busy with his wrestling commitments ...
 
Has the dual intake on the F-150 been dyno'd extensively? Because it seems like that should see similar gains to this design.
 
Tom@ecoboostperformance said:
Some things on this:
If this is made it will fit ALL transverse V6 cars, the pre-turbo stuff is the same, it's just the IC piping that's different, that's why the hot pipes won't work.  Still working on sourcing one and having time to make one. If I were to do this I think the best case scenario would be to utilize at least the stock lower box for it's cold air scenario and either use the top box with the new piping to the turbo or a new top box that is sealed + new piping to the turbos.

The key for us would be to make the flow from the airbox to turbos cleaner and look better.  The problem is that both of my prototyping facilities I work with are behind the gun and getting busier due to me sending them too much work....
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I can't speak  for the others here but asthetics is just as important as improved airflow to me .
I really don't want any plastic in a CAI of this caliber .... and I will buy one from someone .
 
BiGMaC said:
I've looked at the pic some more... love the tubing changes...no more tapering "saxophone or nasty looking plastic, although I wonder why not 2 separate tubes from the box, 1 to each turbo. A great improvement I think.

IMHO... still believe a closed filter box is the way to keep underhood air (not cold) from entering.  The air should be drawn from outside the engine compartment via large bore closed tubing (piping like the pic) to have the coolest air possible.  Mike B and I discussed this development idea today over at Black Market Racing/Full Race... I think we may get going on the development again as soon as the cutouts are ready.
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The only problem with putting a filter outside the engine compartment is moisture.  Some of us, like myself, deal with a lot of rain and standing water.
 
black99lightning said:
BiGMaC said:
I've looked at the pic some more... love the tubing changes...no more tapering "saxophone or nasty looking plastic, although I wonder why not 2 separate tubes from the box, 1 to each turbo. A great improvement I think.

IMHO... still believe a closed filter box is the way to keep underhood air (not cold) from entering.  The air should be drawn from outside the engine compartment via large bore closed tubing (piping like the pic) to have the coolest air possible.  Mike B and I discussed this development idea today over at Black Market Racing/Full Race... I think we may get going on the development again as soon as the cutouts are ready.
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The only problem with putting a filter outside the engine compartment is moisture.  Some of us, like myself, deal with a lot of rain and standing water.
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Interesting idea on placement... I do understand the moisture problems you express for sure.

I wasn't trying to say the filter box should be outside the engine compartment... sorry for the confusion.... I was trying to say that the air should be drawn from outside and any intake of engine compartment air should be blocked... similar to the OEM setup in concept if not in location.  This would be colder air than any intake where the filter is open to the engine compartment or relying on the hood to seal it.
 
Just FYI if you buy an intake that pulls air from inside the engine compartment myself, EB Bob and others found that you lose .2 and 2MPH in the 1/4 mile.
The stock intake with a stock filter beat a $300 intake repeatedly at the track...
So pretty intake but you just lost 20HP.
Function > Form for me.

Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted
 
Thanks Mike.... great little video.

Confirms the outside air idea... but it's apparently just to keep from losing power with these. It also confirms what our test on the dyno showed.  No significant change in HP between OEM and NO filter, and we did i it with the hood up and a big fan on the engine.  For me function is much more important....

It should start us all hunting the real intake restrictions.... the saxophone would be the next step.... Some we can't really change practically yet of course.  Any restriction is definitely behind the OEM filter box. 

We know OEM exhaust is a restriction from the downpipe dynos... It's why I want a cutout!... Once I can get the air out... maybe, just maybe... I can get more in.
 
Not saying I disagree, but in the Mustang world the short ram air intakes make as much or more power than kits with filter over in the fender. Because once rolling the iat's are the same between both, its only in stop and go traffic where the cai does a better job.
I have tons of datalogs from the Mustang to prove it

Ford and GM both utilize open element filters inside the engine bay... the new Z28 and GT500 are both this way.
 
No contest on the data... It may even point out the differences in engines we don't easily appreciate.  Do the new GM cars have the engine compartment as closed as it is in the SHO, like with the bottom shroud? I've considered hood vents like bpd or even a custom cowl hood to cool things off.
 
SHODYOU said:
Not saying I disagree, but in the Mustang world the short ram air intakes make as much or more power than kits with filter over in the fender. Because once rolling the iat's are the same between both, its only in stop and go traffic where the cai does a better job.
I have tons of datalogs from the Mustang to prove it

Ford and GM both utilize open element filters inside the engine bay... the new Z28 and GT500 are both this way.
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They do but they do not have turbos and piping that run off hot exhaust sitting in the engine compartment warming it up. That is the big difference which is why they have bigger gains with a CAI.
 
4DRHTRD said:
Just FYI if you buy an intake that pulls air from inside the engine compartment myself, EB Bob and others found that you lose .2 and 2MPH in the 1/4 mile.
The stock intake with a stock filter beat a $300 intake repeatedly at the track...
So pretty intake but you just lost 20HP.
Function > Form for me.

Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted
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Ok .... time to get radical and some serious modfications required that most will not consider .

This FastLane CAI is very similar to the one that bpd1151 has and I think that is the one that 4DR was basing the one he was considering to make on .

Primary considerations are to reduce air flow restrictions to the turbos and eliminating the plastic crap will help  with this .  Another major consideration is improved  ( more  ) airflow from outside of the engine compartment to the air filter and box assy .

Now you can call me NUTS .... how about a functional  mini custom made version  of the Mustang " Shaker " Hood Scoop that attaches  to a fully  enclosed aluminum box base and  protrudes through  the hood about 3 inches  and have an opening about 2" × 8"  ....
 
4DRHTRD said:
Just FYI if you buy an intake that pulls air from inside the engine compartment myself, EB Bob and others found that you lose .2 and 2MPH in the 1/4 mile.
The stock intake with a stock filter beat a $300 intake repeatedly at the track...
So pretty intake but you just lost 20HP.
Function > Form for me.

Cold Air Intakes Mythbusted
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Same scenario with me. Ran the best with stock intake. After having all the piping off I really don't see how changing piping will give you 20hp. I too prefer function > form.

We shall see what my car makes In a few days with stock intake/K&N and upgraded turbos.


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Speaking of the Mustangs - you are seeing most of the benefit in increasing the diameter of the piping that the MAF sensor is in and tuning accordingly.


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I think it we can agree that at stock levels the current Airraid and K & N CAI don't do much if anything.. The way i have viewed CAI is they are supporting mod.. There purpose it to make the most of your other mods. The stock box is well designed not that pretty but it does work.. To me the issue has alwasy been the rest of the intake pipe.. That is a horrible mess. Stock levels obviously it works. But when you increase the demand on airflow via a tune, downpipes and the larger turbos i bet there is alot of restriction and i could see how you could gain a pound of boost. The turbos can breathe easier.. then can spend less engergy sucking in air and more of it compressing the air..

Im realy curious what modification Fastlane is making to there kit that they will be making this week.
 
panther427 said:
I think it we can agree that at stock levels the current Airraid and K & N CAI don't do much if anything.. The way i have viewed CAI is they are supporting mod.. There purpose it to make the most of your other mods. The stock box is well designed not that pretty but it does work.. To me the issue has alwasy been the rest of the intake pipe.. That is a horrible mess. Stock levels obviously it works. But when you increase the demand on airflow via a tune, downpipes and the larger turbos i bet there is alot of restriction and i could see how you could gain a pound of boost. The turbos can breathe easier.. then can spend less engergy sucking in air and more of it compressing the air..

Im realy curious what modification Fastlane is making to there kit that they will be making this week.
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Completely agree with all said here and below... I am always curious about new products and no exception here...  :thumb:

SW's idea is good too, and done well would be more aesthetic than a lot of the intake ideas.  Don't know if there's room below the middle of the hood though... maybe to the sides... reverse the direction of what bpd did? ...

As well as intake air temp there's heat soak to consider.  I still feel that a cowl hood mod , maybe in combination with a "sealed to the intake scoop" might be the best for the intake to filter side as well as help keep engine temps down by creating flow around the engine... just don't want to see a warmed up engine with oil temps , about 165 degrees where some oil flow and lube problems could surface.  And yes... We MUST eliminate that morass of the plastic pipe from the filter box (whatever it is) to the turbo inlets I'm sure.

Pretty sonn I hope to have an answer to whether Unleashed or LMS tuned '13 SHOs show any performance difference on the dyno, at least in my car (see my earlier post).

Advance this platform!  Someone will hit a home run.
 
BiGMaC said:
SW's idea is good too, and done well would be more aesthetic than a lot of the intake ideas.  Don't know if there's room below the middle of the hood though... maybe to the sides... reverse the direction of what bpd did? ...

I still feel that a cowl hood mod , maybe in combination with a "sealed to the intake scoop" might be the best for the intake to filter side as well as help keep engine temps down by creating flow around the engine... just don't want to see a warmed up engine with oil temps , about 165 degrees where some oil flow and lube problems could surface.  And yes... We MUST eliminate that morass of the plastic pipe from the filter box (whatever it is) to the turbo inlets I'm sure.
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The sealed to the intake cowl hood mod is a definite possibility as well but either way I would only have one inlet above  the  same  general area as the OEM location and slightly back .

Either way lots of custom work required but a basis for either Hood inlet mod will be a CAI similar to the one that  bpd1151 has or the one that FastLane is changing there fab on .
 
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