Full hard pipe CAI from FastLaneTurbo 3.5 EB
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When they talking modding the injectors did they go into specifics? Extruded hone? Replacing the tips/nozzles. Uprgrading to more hole and a different pattern?
Or where they talking top end mods with drive motors, larger resivours ect..
Or where they talking top end mods with drive motors, larger resivours ect..
According to Bosch, yes the injectors can but there is more to it than just the injectors. Those injectors max at 2900psi, but ford limits frp on gen 4.1 to 2150. I havent seen any published data about gen 4.2 but i was routinely over 2700 psi at the rail on 93, 2400 at my highest blend of 34% The capacity is definitely there, figuring out how to unlock it is the mystery I'm trying to figure out.68_GT said:
Both logging software programs have verified my observed frp, but just to be sure I want to borrow a data recorder from my friendly neighborhood dealership just to make sure.
Back to CAI's....
I know everyone hates the stock setup appearance wise and I think many of us assume that the ridged piping is bad for performance. The fact of the matter is that all those ridges may induce some sort of tumble or venturi effect that is actually beneficial. I think the available data points to this and the engineers knowing something we don't.
I have zero doubt that as of right now the best performing intake setup is OEM, the engineers did a great job IMHO.
I know everyone hates the stock setup appearance wise and I think many of us assume that the ridged piping is bad for performance. The fact of the matter is that all those ridges may induce some sort of tumble or venturi effect that is actually beneficial. I think the available data points to this and the engineers knowing something we don't.
I have zero doubt that as of right now the best performing intake setup is OEM, the engineers did a great job IMHO.
Well ...... Not sure where to start
I spoke with Mike at Fastlane ... the signals are getting crossed somewhere .
When 68_GT was at Fastlane last Sat. He was talking with Mike and Nick there .
This is from my conversation with Mike a short time ago .There have been NO SHO'S at Fastlane tuned for or running E85 blended or otherwise . No one there has modified the injectors on a SHO .
I'm not sure of there knowledge of the intricacies of the complex fuel system of this platform .
They have other vehicles there that these things have been done too .
The only turbo upgrades they have done on a 3.5 EB are an F150 .
The SHO with the CIA Will be tuned and Dynoed thur or fri. and they have no plans to Modify the CAI any further than what you see in the latest posted pics ..... so I guess the decision with purchasing lays with whomever is considering to do so .
I spoke with Mike at Fastlane ... the signals are getting crossed somewhere .
When 68_GT was at Fastlane last Sat. He was talking with Mike and Nick there .
This is from my conversation with Mike a short time ago .There have been NO SHO'S at Fastlane tuned for or running E85 blended or otherwise . No one there has modified the injectors on a SHO .
I'm not sure of there knowledge of the intricacies of the complex fuel system of this platform .
They have other vehicles there that these things have been done too .
The only turbo upgrades they have done on a 3.5 EB are an F150 .
The SHO with the CIA Will be tuned and Dynoed thur or fri. and they have no plans to Modify the CAI any further than what you see in the latest posted pics ..... so I guess the decision with purchasing lays with whomever is considering to do so .
I didn't say they said they could lol
We had a conversation about E85 and after I told them I'd love to but,,,,, the fuel upgrades don't exist to support it they then mentioned that they knew of a guy that modified his injectors on a Mazda to support more capacity.
Sorry you got all excited if that's what you got my my previous post i bet you were all in for Fastlane and some E85 but you premature speculated on that one lol
We had a conversation about E85 and after I told them I'd love to but,,,,, the fuel upgrades don't exist to support it they then mentioned that they knew of a guy that modified his injectors on a Mazda to support more capacity.
Sorry you got all excited if that's what you got my my previous post i bet you were all in for Fastlane and some E85 but you premature speculated on that one lol
I'll have to re read my earlier post about it. Sorry guys !Hopefully BPD will chime in with any dyno testing they did with his setup.SwampRat said:
His setup is also a bit more extensive than your run of the mill Airaid, or Typhoon variety of induction warmers.
There also may be something to be learned from the oem pipe arrangement that can be imitated and also made to look nice.
Injectors: There was a company that would modify (to run e85) Subaru injectors called Witchhunter Performance? Perhaps they now offer the same for other cars? I never cared ofr modded fuel stuff so just bought lager ones. 
They dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.
1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune
Same for if you want to experiment with the 'snorkel.'
I don't see a lot of people doing this as an experiment. I do see companies/ shops doing this and misrepresenting numbers to sell their product though.
25hp from a filter on a civic.... yea, sure. :rofl:
They dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.
1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune
Same for if you want to experiment with the 'snorkel.'
I don't see a lot of people doing this as an experiment. I do see companies/ shops doing this and misrepresenting numbers to sell their product though.
25hp from a filter on a civic.... yea, sure. :rofl:
kinder said:Injectors: There was a company that would modify (to run e85) Subaru injectors called Witchhunter Performance? Perhaps they now offer the same for other cars? I never cared ofr modded fuel stuff so just bought lager ones.
They dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.
1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune
I'd be happy to donate my SHO to get some results.
Brad
2010 SHO with PP
170* T-Stat
NGK LTR7IX plugs, gap at 0.030
BOV VTA
MyCal LMS Stage 4+
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Kinder.... I have baseline stock pulls on my 2013 SHO in addition to belowkinder said:The dyno pulls on the CAI stuff is a lost cause unless we have $$ and time. To satisfy our curiosity we would need to do the following all in short order.
1) Stock pull. No tune
2) Stock pull. Tuned
3) Drop in filter. No tune
4) Drop in filter. Tune
5) CAI system of choice. No tune
6) CAI system of choice. Tune
Same for if you want to experiment with the 'snorkel.'
I don't see a lot of people doing this as an experiment. I do see companies/ shops doing this and misrepresenting numbers to sell their product though.
I have stock BTB dyno pulls (9 total while helping PPE develop their downpipes) ..with the OEM set-up and with nothing but the open end of the saxophone (no OEM, No filter).... All same day. No difference in HP or TQ in my '13 SHO. This says to me that with stock tune the OEM intake and box are not a restriction. here is the link to the testing:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2054.msg28591#msg28591
So I only need to compare tuned results of the same tests and dyno to prove what I suspect... the stock intake and filter provide all the air the engine can use no matter the tune.... dunno, but I will be doing that.
IF there is no difference when tuned between OEM and no intake tube /filter/box then I only need to test the tubing I replace (the saxophone) to get the answer for the turbo feed tubing change.
So I only need max 3 pulls in each of 3 circumstances to find out if the CAI being built for me adds performance.... probably only cost $300 or so....
No other testing planned because... I already know the Airaid and K&N Typhoon usually result in slower quarter miles from multiple track results testing from members, by .1-.2s ... including 4DR and bamsho, both of whom tested both on same car and same day.... for both times improved with replacing the OEM
I may try stock tune... but why?... if the OEM vs nothing numbers are the same as before with a tune. All done... and to be done at Black market Racing on their dyno with the same operator (jeremy) in all cases.
Evidently Fastlane has been selling there CAI for a few years now evidenced by the reviews on the web site and an actual install with pics and so so reviews by ford flex.net forum members to include ecobrick bob .....
Almost three years ago .
http://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5651
Almost three years ago .
http://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5651