GDI Injectors coming!!

JMR76 said:
The best I can explain it so far, From what I can see, the max boost is down sometimes to around 13.6 psi or so, although I've seen it go back to 15.3 a few times.  15.3 is what I was getting with 93v6 all the time.

A/F ratio seems to be as low as 10.6, only briefly, but now seems to run 11.1 to 11.3 more under WOT.  On WOT, it would jump to 11.1 then sometimes drop quickly to 10.6 or 10.7 then back to 11.1 and up.  It's definitely not running in the 10's as much anyway.

I'm using Dashcommand, so I only know how to read in playback mode, which does also record the highs and lows.  Hopefully this is some help.
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It sounds like they leaned it out a little for you. Which is exactly what i asked Anthony to do for me. At times i'm seeing 10.2 " just insane" i think if it were asking for 11.1-11.3 like your tune it would fix the problem or come extremely close. If it didn't then just drop a lb of boost to lower the incoming air a touch and it would be fine.
10.2 is beyound the fuel system not to mention it's leaving power on the table being so rich.
 
Does anyone know what the status is on the injectors?  This year it's either meth injection or new injectors going on the car.
 
twnscrw13 said:
Does anyone know what the status is on the injectors?  This year it's either meth injection or new injectors going on the car.
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Any One want to tackle this one ?

I say go straight to the  Mfg... email and or call them .

http://www.deatschwerks.com/


On second thought maybe I have another project ... There contact info is in OKC  , OK .

Contact

1745 W. Sheridan Ave.
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
Phone: 1.405.217.0701
Toll-free: 1.800.419.6023
Fax: 1.405.217.0700

 
SwampRat said:
twnscrw13 said:
Does anyone know what the status is on the injectors?  This year it's either meth injection or new injectors going on the car.
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Any One want to tackle this one ?

I say go straight to the  Mfg... email and or call them .

http://www.deatschwerks.com/

I sent an email. We'll see what they say.


On second thought maybe I have another project ... There contact info is in OKC  , OK .

Contact

1745 W. Sheridan Ave.
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
Phone: 1.405.217.0701
Toll-free: 1.800.419.6023
Fax: 1.405.217.0700
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Hi All:
If I am calculating correctly then that would mean the stock injectors are capable of about 1300cc's per minute
I have to assume that BSFC's are still about .5lb per hp hour for gasoline
That would mean that the stock injectors are capable of around 125lbs per hour static flow
If that is the case the stock injectors with a maximum of 80% duty cycle would be capable of producing about 200hp per cylinder.
There must be something awash here.
Typically the factory uses the above formula to calculate maximum injector flow rate requirements.
Surely these stock injectors are not capable of 1300cc per minute?????
Does anyone have the correct static flow specs for the stock injectors?
 
Deatschwerks is finalizing development of their GDI injectors for Ford EcoBoost engines.

I guess we  can thank the  Mustang crowd  for this .

NEW update from Stang TV on Jan. 21st. 2014

www.stangtv.com/news/deatschwerks-developing-ecoboost-injectors-in-time-for-2015-mustang/


Quote from article above :


Many talented tuners have already come up with tuning solutions, and the aftermarket has also been releasing parts for EcoBoost powered cars and trucks. The limiting factor up until now has been getting more fuel to the engine. Increasing boost and playing with fuel, timing, and other data within the computer can net more power, but eventually the incoming air charge exceeds the amount of available fuel. There hasn’t been a solution to this issue until now, and it comes from Deatschwerks.


4DR Has been saying  this for a while now !
 
We need more than injectors, we need a pump that can flow more too?

That does not require splicing into factory harness.
 
Josephm said:
We need more than injectors, we need a pump that can flow more too?

That does not require splicing into factory harness.
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4DR has the pump issue  solved  and available.

Unfortunately at this time I dont believe WE can  have our cake and eat it too with the splicing issue.

These injectors won't be available until later this year and who knows , by then maybe a plug n play pump settup may become available .
 
Kind of wondering, for those that are blending their own concoctions of E85, or for those supplementing with Methanol, how much more of an improvement this will add?

I imagine the combination of all of the offerings collectively, will have a tremendous, positive, outcome!

Pretty exciting would be an understatement!

:clap2:

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now that's exciting !

any speculation on what will be possible with a tune tweak by adding these injectors / pump ?

that being said what about drivetrain weakpoints ?? I dont want to start breaking stuff either....
 
2013's have more FRP.

We have a different LPFP that is variable and can provide 10 more PSI to the HPFP.

We can run up to around 30 % E-85 tuned before there is an issue.

That info comes from my experiences and (the tuning part) has been confirmed by Mr Torrie.

I am currently at 23.5% (96.5 octane) E-85, logging has shown no dropouts so far and peak PSI is 2600-2700

Now the question has to be asked why some tuned 2013's without E-85 are having FRP issues.

My experiences are in 4dr's "E-85 is Awesome" thread.

My dialogue with Mr Torrie is in Needmoreboost's thread in Mr Torrie's vendor section.




 
For those that are questioning the need for upgraded injectors for the 3.5 EB  this is an excerpt from the article in the link further below .

Sounds like pretty convincing data to me .


Any tuner will tell you that the more data they have on the parts in a particular setup, the better than can tune a car. Deatschwerks spent about a year developing and verifying injector calibration summaries for their entire modern muscle car product line. “When you purchase a set of our injectors, what comes with them–which, in many cases, tuners find more valuable–is the tuning data,” says Deatsch.

“All of our modern muscle injectors have plug-and-play tuning data to get set up in your ECU…You can go right to our website, go to the Resources tab, find the GM or Ford calibrations, pick your injector part number, download an Excel spreadsheet, and the copy and paste the injector data you need for tuning right into the ECU tables.”


http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/pri-coverage/pri-2013-deatschwerks-new-gdi-injectors-and-calibration-summaries/


These injectors along with a modified fuel pump , or maybe unlocking the FRP through tuning as hinted at by FoMoCoSho is what is going to make things happen .

 
SwampRat said:
For those that are questioning the need for upgraded injectors for the 3.5 EB  this is an excerpt from the article in the link further below .

Sounds like pretty convincing data to me .


Any tuner will tell you that the more data they have on the parts in a particular setup, the better than can tune a car. Deatschwerks spent about a year developing and verifying injector calibration summaries for their entire modern muscle car product line. “When you purchase a set of our injectors, what comes with them–which, in many cases, tuners find more valuable–is the tuning data,” says Deatsch.

“All of our modern muscle injectors have plug-and-play tuning data to get set up in your ECU…You can go right to our website, go to the Resources tab, find the GM or Ford calibrations, pick your injector part number, download an Excel spreadsheet, and the copy and paste the injector data you need for tuning right into the ECU tables.”


http://www.streetlegaltv.com/features/pri-coverage/pri-2013-deatschwerks-new-gdi-injectors-and-calibration-summaries/


These injectors along with a modified fuel pump , or maybe unlocking the FRP through tuning as hinted at by FoMoCoSho is what is going to make things happen .
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68_GT said:
how much added capacity ~30 % ? I'm curious at to what our current tunes could do with these, or if these will be enough to support 100% E85 ?
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Not sure about E85 , but 25 % more capacity .
Tunes will have to be modified .





 
I wonder what all the capabilities will be with these injectors ?!

More boost ?!
maybe dry NOS shot :)
less mpg lol
 
Problem is you will see the pressure drop on the rail even faster with bigger injectors at WOT if you were tunning to try and take advantage of the extra headroom.
 
panther427 said:
Problem is you will see the pressure drop on the rail even faster with bigger injectors at WOT if you were tunning to try and take advantage of the extra headro om.
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Increase the rail pressure , someone will figure out a way .
 
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