Multi-Oil Analysis

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MightBeASynth

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After some concerns were posted about the quality and general safety of BND fluids a few members and myself have decided to run some analysis on virgin oil samples from BND and other popular brands. We are starting with what you will see in the picture below but may expand it depending on how much people desire to help out. All oil analysis is being done by the well know Blackstone labs. This first round of testing will be done on unused or virgin samples to get an idea of the content of the oils and their general safety to be used in ecoboost applications. I will also be posting used oil analysis from time time using some if not all the oils show below. 

1 Motorcraft 5w-30

2 Royal Purple 5w-30

3 AMSOil European Car Formula 5w-30

4 AMSOil Signature 5w-20

5 Quantum Blue Motor Oil 7.5w-27

6 AMSOil ATF ATF

7 Quantum Blue Transmission Fluid ATF

8 AMSOil Synthetic Gear Lube 80w-90

9 Quantum Blue Gear Lube 85w-100

10 AMSOil Severe Gear Oil 75w-140

11 Quantun Blue Gear Oil 85w-140

12 Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30

Excel Sheet with report data
Please feel free to post suggestions for testing, brands, etc.



Special thanks to those helping out! Message me if you would like to contribute.

  • glock-coma - $40
  • jgr (2gfusions.net) - $190
  • MiWiAu - $40
  • SHOdded - $40
Not counting the oil I normally use or plan to use (BND and AMSOil) the total cost of the extra oil, this round of testing and shipping is ~$430.  If you would like to donate to the costs of testing please let me know.


Next 12 oils to test (likely sometime in Feb '17, it really depends on money).


Mobile 1
Rotella
Redline
Joe Gibbs
Castrol
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UPDATE 11/4
The oil reports are in, I have updated the first post with images and links to the reports and full data. TL;DR BND oils are safe to use. The engine oil is comparable to other oils and the gear as well as ATF fluids appear to be superioir at least to AMSOil with regard to TAN levels. All kinds of interesting info here, I will spend some time absorbing this info and come up with a more detailed summary for everyone , for now enjoy the data!


UPDATE 10/19Packed and ready to go, shipping these out tomorrow.











 
Been pretty busy the last week so I JUST got this box out today. Grabbed a quart of Pannzoil platinum 5w-30 since I still had a spot open.


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Awesome! Are you getting TAN (on the ATF/gear oil) and TBN (on the motor oils) as well??

EDIT: It would also be sweet if they could put all the oils on one report (by type) for easier comparison (i.e. a separate report for motor oil, ATF, and gear oil).
 
MiWiAu said:
Awesome! Are you getting TAN (on the ATF/gear oil) and TBN (on the motor oils) as well??

EDIT: It would also be sweet if they could put all the oils on one report (by type) for easier comparison (i.e. a separate report for motor oil, ATF, and gear oil).
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I checked the box for TBN testing since I only had slips for motor oil. I just sent them an email to confirm TAN testing on the gear and ATF oils. Thanks for reminding me!


I plan on putting all the data into a spreadsheet so that how they send me the reports won't matter as much. I will post both the spread sheet and images of the original reports in whatever form I get them so people can play with the data and see the originals.


Also thanks for the donation!
 
Super! Glad to contribute. :)

For future reference, they have alternate forms on the Blackstone website for fluids other than motor oil that can be downloaded. I found them when I was sending in a PTU sample.

Thanks again! Looking forward to the results!



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Just got confirmation that Blackstone will be doing TAN testing on the gear and ATF oils instead of TBN. Getting excited to see this data!
 
AnotherGreenFusion said:
I plan on putting all the data into a spreadsheet so that how they send me the reports won't matter as much. I will post both the spread sheet and images of the original reports in whatever form I get them so people can play with the data and see the originals.
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Hey AGF,

I received my report in a PDF format, and I was just messing around with it a bit. I was able to highlight the numbers in a column and copy/paste them into Excel without much issue. Should save a lot of time of trying to manually re-enter the values.

If you want any help post-processing the information into Excel, or if an Excel template to copy/paste information into would help let me know!
 
The oil reports are in, I have updated the first post with images and links to the reports and full data.


TL;DR BND oils are safe to use. The engine oil is comparable to other oils and the gear as well as ATF fluids appear to be superioir at least to AMSOil with regard to TAN levels.


All kinds of interesting info here, I will spend some time absorbing this info and come up with a more detailed summary for everyone , for now enjoy the data!


More pics, details and videos can be found here.
 
Thanks! Was there Amsoil Signature 5W-30 on the original list, or was it always the 5W-20? I must have misread.

Appreciate you pulling this together!


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MiWiAu said:
Thanks! Was there Amsoil Signature 5W-30 on the original list, or was it always the 5W-20? I must have misread.

Appreciate you pulling this together!


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Happy to do it!

It is 5w-20. I did not have any signature 5w-30 as I had been using eurospec in the fusion previously. I had signature 5w-20 as that is what I use in my Fiesta. For the purposes of these reports the difference between 2 weights should be pretty minimal. When/if I test 5w-30 signature I would expect it to be very close to the 5w-20.
 
I will be doing a more through write up to help interpret the data when I have time in the next week or so. The TLDR of things is BND oil is safe to use but is really about the same as AMSOil in quality except the gear oils where BND has lower acids. AMSOil Eurospec won't hurt your car and actually has some better properties with viscosity than signature even with a lower TBN. Royal Purple is not as good as many people think it is you are better off with something else. Finally Motorcraft Synthetic Blend is pretty good for a blend and more than usable in the EB platform (of course!).
 
First of all, I want to applaud your efforts, AGF, they are honestly appreciated!

UOA paired with virgin oil analysis will give a more complete picture of the quality of the product.  Numbers are meant to be manipulated.  Just because an oil has an initial TBN of 11, for example, doesn't tell you HOW that TBN was achieved.  Is it primarily from the quality of the base oil, or is it the additives, ...?  It would be REALLY helpful if more people would send in oil samples from the oils they use.  Data would be so much easier to come by :)

I do think MC synblend is a good oil ... for a naturally aspirated vehicle in particular.  Not so good for the demands of a GTDI engine at the recommended OCIs though.  I have run MC oil through a number of OCIs now on my Edge, very recently switching to Mobil 1, but it never gave me cause for complaint.  Looked good throughout, though darker at the end, and smelled pretty good for used oil too.  No clue on their synthetic offerings tho.
 
SHOdded said:
First of all, I want to applaud your efforts, AGF, they are honestly appreciated!

UOA paired with virgin oil analysis will give a more complete picture of the quality of the product.  Numbers are meant to be manipulated.  Just because an oil has an initial TBN of 11, for example, doesn't tell you HOW that TBN was achieved.  Is it primarily from the quality of the base oil, or is it the additives, ...?  It would be REALLY helpful if more people would send in oil samples from the oils they use.  Data would be so much easier to come by :)

I do think MC synblend is a good oil ... for a naturally aspirated vehicle in particular.  Not so good for the demands of a GTDI engine at the recommended OCIs though.  I have run MC oil through a number of OCIs now on my Edge, very recently switching to Mobil 1, but it never gave me cause for complaint.  Looked good throughout, though darker at the end, and smelled pretty good for used oil too. No clue on their synthetic offerings tho.
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I have Motorcraft full synthetic in mine now.  I will try to send a used sample off to get an analysis.  Been curious about it as it's easy for me to come by inexpensively.  Have Mobil 1 Extended Performance to put in next.
 
SHOdded said:
First of all, I want to applaud your efforts, AGF, they are honestly appreciated!

UOA paired with virgin oil analysis will give a more complete picture of the quality of the product.  Numbers are meant to be manipulated.  Just because an oil has an initial TBN of 11, for example, doesn't tell you HOW that TBN was achieved.  Is it primarily from the quality of the base oil, or is it the additives, ...?  It would be REALLY helpful if more people would send in oil samples from the oils they use.  Data would be so much easier to come by :)

I do think MC synblend is a good oil ... for a naturally aspirated vehicle in particular.  Not so good for the demands of a GTDI engine at the recommended OCIs though.  I have run MC oil through a number of OCIs now on my Edge, very recently switching to Mobil 1, but it never gave me cause for complaint.  Looked good throughout, though darker at the end, and smelled pretty good for used oil too.  No clue on their synthetic offerings tho.
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This is all very true, even Blackstone notes in one of the reports that starting TBN is not always the best indicator since TBN drops more slowly as the oil ages. For me I think looking at the viscosity and additives are most important. I have been using AMSOil Euro spec for some time now as it was preferred by a lot of GDTI folks. Based on this analysis and my UOA report from 6k miles of use I was on the money that the TBN while lower, holds up well and I get a better viscosity out of the oil with a bit more shear protection.


Personally i think I will use up what I have of BND when my engine is rebuilt then will likely stick with AMSOil for the engine since its a bit easier for me to get and is not far off from Quantum Blue already. Also the very high levels of Zinc in the quantum blue do have me concerned about long term use melting the cat will need to read more on that.


As for the gear oils, I think I need to test more brands but I am impressed at the low TAN numbers I see from BND ATF and gear oils.
 
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