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Livernois Motorsports
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Welcome to the forum from Livernois Motorsports!
Thank you for your order as well! First customer I have ever seen that purchased a cold air and thermostat with out our tune on the car. Just curios as to any specific reason why? I see you mentioned longevity which is a good area to consider when tuning. We have tuned more EcoBoost vehicles than anyone on the planet to my knowledge and have zero issues with longevity I can assure you.
Thank you for your order as well! First customer I have ever seen that purchased a cold air and thermostat with out our tune on the car. Just curios as to any specific reason why? I see you mentioned longevity which is a good area to consider when tuning. We have tuned more EcoBoost vehicles than anyone on the planet to my knowledge and have zero issues with longevity I can assure you.
Livernois Motorsports said:Welcome to the forum from Livernois Motorsports!
Thank you for your order as well! First customer I have ever seen that purchased a cold air and thermostat with out our tune on the car. Just curios as to any specific reason why? I see you mentioned longevity which is a good area to consider when tuning. We have tuned more EcoBoost vehicles than anyone on the planet to my knowledge and have zero issues with longevity I can assure you.
Uhh I have not purchased anything yet.
I am still trying to see if your intake is worth the money or drop in filter is better. I emailed and asking about flow tests you have done and I got a generic we "test answer". I asked for more specifics in regards to power shift between and never got a answer.
As for thermostat, sense you are here, why do I need to change this? I am in the process of looking why but again you chimed in so please give me the 411.
Tune wise you were on my list but the gang here seems to thing the others are better. I know on the Raptor forums you guys are number 5 on the preferred list. I still have you as a consideration but the other tune seems to offer more and is cheaper as I already have a SCT tuner because of the Raptor.
I am a newb to the SHO so I freely admit I am at the start line trying to read and search for information. So pardon if ignorance to what parts and who is better.
EcoPowerParts said:Welcome, thanks for joining!
If you need anything let me know.
Looking at your site now. 2cents from new guy, hard to use.
As for help, do you have a recommendation on a setup of catted down pipes and cat back that offers the best flow to less drone? I am still in the Stainless Works Camp just because I have their products on a different vehicle.
Do you or anyone here have a good tire fitment thread? I started one on the SHOforum and compiled threads I saw for wheel weight but not size.
Can i run a 20" 8.5, with a 40mm offest (what I have seen as standard) and a 255 /45 or bigger?
M3....
As far as tuners... LME has tuned the fastest (Crash's) and the most powerful (bpd1151's) SHO... But Torrie (Unleashed is an excellent tuner... Mike B has posted a comparison thread and has used Unleashed in his flex and now LME in his truck. We're all waiting on his impressions... The mix is pretty equal as far as which tuner is used here... Since you have the SCT already Unleashed would save $. Keep in mind that it is possible to tune well beyond engineering specs of the construction materials used in our 3.5 GDIs. So if you're going all out consider a degree of rebuild for extreme tuning. All tuners have alterations for Tstat, DPs, CAI, etc.
As far as the tranny... Both of the above tuners adjust tranny shift pressures upward of the stock pressure for more crisp shifts.
You know that heat soak is the enemy of performance. Going to a 160 or 170 degree Tstat will delay this and perhaps speed cooling. I do see lower operating temps when cruising also. Both the above tuners adjust fan settings for a lower temp Tstat. But heat soak inevitably happens... Just cooler.
DPs will add about 12 AWHP if catted, and about 17 AWHP if non catted. This was on my SHO over about 9 BTB dyno pulls during the development of the PPE DPs. For less work, if you are in an emissions area, catted might be simpler. If you don't own one... Get a sensor socket to get the O2 sensors out and if possible dot the switch on a lift. Silent cruising, authoritative with brisk acelleration, and perhaps a slight drone at idle speeds at or below 650rpm.
On the dyno th DPs will improve flow in th exhaust and shift the available AWHP and TQ down to 1500-1700 rpm vs. 2000-2200 with OEM DPs.... Very noticeable increase in low end pull both on the dyno and the "butt dyno.
As far as a CAI.. In my car during the dynos above we compared the stock CAI with stock filter vs. no filter (we removed the filter box entirely so intake was directly into the "saxophone"). Hood was up and fan on the engine in all pulls. We found +/- 1to 2 AWHP difference (within software limits of error)... so get the CAI that looks the best to you and changes the turbo spooling sound to your liking.... And get one that cannot draw underhood air. Note that this data was with stock tune.... and both the tuners above may be able to improve this. IMHO any intake restriction is proximal to the filter box. It is also worth noting that several members have noted real time losses of as much as 0.1 sec in the 1/4 with AirAid which they got back the same day by reverting to stock.
Sorry for the long post... Regardless of who you choose for what hardware, just keep your vision of your ride in mind as you mod and Enjoy the ride!
As far as tuners... LME has tuned the fastest (Crash's) and the most powerful (bpd1151's) SHO... But Torrie (Unleashed is an excellent tuner... Mike B has posted a comparison thread and has used Unleashed in his flex and now LME in his truck. We're all waiting on his impressions... The mix is pretty equal as far as which tuner is used here... Since you have the SCT already Unleashed would save $. Keep in mind that it is possible to tune well beyond engineering specs of the construction materials used in our 3.5 GDIs. So if you're going all out consider a degree of rebuild for extreme tuning. All tuners have alterations for Tstat, DPs, CAI, etc.
As far as the tranny... Both of the above tuners adjust tranny shift pressures upward of the stock pressure for more crisp shifts.
You know that heat soak is the enemy of performance. Going to a 160 or 170 degree Tstat will delay this and perhaps speed cooling. I do see lower operating temps when cruising also. Both the above tuners adjust fan settings for a lower temp Tstat. But heat soak inevitably happens... Just cooler.
DPs will add about 12 AWHP if catted, and about 17 AWHP if non catted. This was on my SHO over about 9 BTB dyno pulls during the development of the PPE DPs. For less work, if you are in an emissions area, catted might be simpler. If you don't own one... Get a sensor socket to get the O2 sensors out and if possible dot the switch on a lift. Silent cruising, authoritative with brisk acelleration, and perhaps a slight drone at idle speeds at or below 650rpm.
On the dyno th DPs will improve flow in th exhaust and shift the available AWHP and TQ down to 1500-1700 rpm vs. 2000-2200 with OEM DPs.... Very noticeable increase in low end pull both on the dyno and the "butt dyno.
As far as a CAI.. In my car during the dynos above we compared the stock CAI with stock filter vs. no filter (we removed the filter box entirely so intake was directly into the "saxophone"). Hood was up and fan on the engine in all pulls. We found +/- 1to 2 AWHP difference (within software limits of error)... so get the CAI that looks the best to you and changes the turbo spooling sound to your liking.... And get one that cannot draw underhood air. Note that this data was with stock tune.... and both the tuners above may be able to improve this. IMHO any intake restriction is proximal to the filter box. It is also worth noting that several members have noted real time losses of as much as 0.1 sec in the 1/4 with AirAid which they got back the same day by reverting to stock.
Sorry for the long post... Regardless of who you choose for what hardware, just keep your vision of your ride in mind as you mod and Enjoy the ride!
Livernois Motorsports
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I was reading through the thread this morning and apparently missed that the list was ideas in mind but not ordered. My apologies for the mistake and to hear about the email issue. The website has actually been replaced by a completely new much better site that is going to be launched any time now. It is much more user friendly, modern , and complete with a vehicle specific look up as well.
The Evenflo thermostat is beneficial to the engine along with a thermostat modified tune for many reasons. The first most obvious reason is that the two combined will lower coolant temperatures which helps prevent heat soak. Heat soaked engines lose power and a engine that runs above average temps all the time obviously will not last as long in the grand scheme of things. The EcoBoost engines already create more heat from the factory which is why Ford has used a cooler thermostat than most of their engines run factory. So adding more performance to the engine will cause it to create more heat. Colder engine temps help stay further from detonation typically as well which makes them more friendly to added performance.
Feel free to shoot me a PM with a good number you could be reached if you would like. I personally prefer to discuss things by phone if possible. I would be glad to help answer any questions you may have further in depth.
The Evenflo thermostat is beneficial to the engine along with a thermostat modified tune for many reasons. The first most obvious reason is that the two combined will lower coolant temperatures which helps prevent heat soak. Heat soaked engines lose power and a engine that runs above average temps all the time obviously will not last as long in the grand scheme of things. The EcoBoost engines already create more heat from the factory which is why Ford has used a cooler thermostat than most of their engines run factory. So adding more performance to the engine will cause it to create more heat. Colder engine temps help stay further from detonation typically as well which makes them more friendly to added performance.
Feel free to shoot me a PM with a good number you could be reached if you would like. I personally prefer to discuss things by phone if possible. I would be glad to help answer any questions you may have further in depth.
BiGMaC ever come to CA - Sac Town I owe you a beer. Post was perfect and gave me the data I needed for the modding on the power side of things. I am not looking for crazy power but I always know there is more to be had as Ford has to deal with government restrictions. As for the DP I am doing catted as I don't want to deal with check engine lights as well as sound.
For heat soak is the a large radiator upgrade yet for the cars and all aluminum? The car I did pick up has the "performance package" so not sure if this actually does have more cooling as they claim.
Now need to figure out shocks for the springs, sways, and how to convince Wagner to make a real intercooler upgrade LOL.
Livernois Motorsports - I will shoot you a PM once I have the car to setup a time to chat. I prefer phone as well as its faster than this whole PM / Forum stuff HAHA.
For heat soak is the a large radiator upgrade yet for the cars and all aluminum? The car I did pick up has the "performance package" so not sure if this actually does have more cooling as they claim.
Now need to figure out shocks for the springs, sways, and how to convince Wagner to make a real intercooler upgrade LOL.
Livernois Motorsports - I will shoot you a PM once I have the car to setup a time to chat. I prefer phone as well as its faster than this whole PM / Forum stuff HAHA.
Livernois Motorsports
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Sounds like a plan! You can always give me a call anytime you would like as well if any questions arise in the process.
I am always glad to help in any way I can. My name is Anthony @ 313-561-5500 ext 103.
Best of luck to you on the new vehicle purchase and getting a chance to scratch that well known mod itch that we all get from time to time.
I am always glad to help in any way I can. My name is Anthony @ 313-561-5500 ext 103.
Best of luck to you on the new vehicle purchase and getting a chance to scratch that well known mod itch that we all get from time to time.
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