Opinions: Reische vs. Unleashed 170 degree thermostat

[MiWiAu]

Time to jump on the AJP bandwagon? I'm so glad that Brad had started selling tunes once I decided to tune.

Already did, and he has been super awesome. Brad's service has absolutely been second to none.

Back to thermostats!

Have there been any known problems with the generic, non-Reische thermostats that I should be concerned about? I've already learned an expensive lesson, so I might as well keep digging the hole if it might save me down the road... LOL

 

[MiWiAu]

I think ZSHO was on the right track with Rat Stat thermostat coming from Unleashed.

I messaged the Rat Stat gmail account on the box in the post below, and already got a response from Robert. He stated his thermostats are built from the same parts as the Reische (sourced from Stant), and he's based out of Carthage, NC.

EDIT (again): Robert at Rat Stat confirmed that he provides thermostats to Torrie.

 

[derfdog15]

I think ZSHO was on the right track with Rat Stat thermostat coming from Unleashed.

I messaged the Rat Stat gmail account on the box in the post below, and already got a response from Robert. He stated his thermostats are built from the same parts as the Reische (sourced from Stant), and he's based out of Carthage, NC.

EDIT (again): Robert at Rat Stat confirmed that he provides thermostats to Torrie.

Guess I coulda saved a few more dollars then. Oh well, that's nice to know. I've heard no bad reviews of the unleashed 170, rat stat, or even the LME 160. Afaik everyone with an upgraded thermostat has been happy with the performance.

I'd say you are good to go with yours.

Atleast I got to support Lethal, who've been pretty awesome with me in my mustang endeavors.

And glad to hear you got the ball rolling with Brad, he amazes me with his every tune. Each time I don't think it can get any better, and I'm amazed again.

 

[SHOdded]

Does "sourcing the same parts" mean that Rat Stat and Reische are not making mods themselves?

 

[derfdog15]

Does "sourcing the same parts" mean that Rat Stat and Reische are not making mods themselves?

Could be. Or atleast maybe the main internals? Would explain your 3D having Stant Markings.

 

[MiWiAu]

Does "sourcing the same parts" mean that Rat Stat and Reische are not making mods themselves?

Great question. I see on the Reische website they say:

"Our FORD-4D, FORD-G5 & FORD-50 thermostats are custom made with the same size diaphragm and bypass control as the OEM units. Each of our thermostats is modified by hand using only U.S. made parts and then quality inspected to ensure consistent opening temps. These t-stats are the only ones specifically designed to fit these applications making them the best performing low temp units on the market!"

I'm not sure how they're "modified" at either place. I also went on the Stant website (www.stant.com) and looked at their application guide. I did not see a 170 degree option for a 2013 Explorer, Taurus, Flex or Interceptor. They had 180 (OE), 188, and 190. Maybe the "modification" is to take the guts out of some other t-stat and put it in the OE cage?

I wish I had taken pictures of my Rat Stat before I installed it, but I did compare to all the Reische images when I received it, and all the stampings and numeric identifiers were identical. I just assumed that's what I was sent. It does support the possibility that they could be built from the same parts. I have no idea what the performance tolerance can be on a thermostat, but perhaps the benefit of the Reische is that they appear to quality inspect each unit to ensure optimal performance. Or maybe they are exactly the same as Rat Stat...

At the end of the day, I'm in agreement with derfdog that I should be good to go with my Rat Stat/Stant/Reische?? frankenstat.

 

[derfdog15]

Does "sourcing the same parts" mean that Rat Stat and Reische are not making mods themselves?

Great question. I see on the Reische website they say:

"Our FORD-4D, FORD-G5 & FORD-50 thermostats are custom made with the same size diaphragm and bypass control as the OEM units. Each of our thermostats is modified by hand using only U.S. made parts and then quality inspected to ensure consistent opening temps. These t-stats are the only ones specifically designed to fit these applications making them the best performing low temp units on the market!"

I'm not sure how they're "modified" at either place. I also went on the Stant website (www.stant.com) and looked at their application guide. I did not see a 170 degree option for a 2013 Explorer, Taurus, Flex or Interceptor. They had 180 (OE), 188, and 190. Maybe the "modification" is to take the guts out of some other t-stat and put it in the OE cage?

I wish I had taken pictures of my Rat Stat before I installed it, but I did compare to all the Reische images when I received it, and all the stampings and numeric identifiers were identical. I just assumed that's what I was sent. It does support the possibility that they could be built from the same parts. I have no idea what the performance tolerance can be on a thermostat, but perhaps the benefit of the Reische is that they appear to quality inspect each unit to ensure optimal performance. Or maybe they are exactly the same as Rat Stat...

At the end of the day, I'm in agreement with derfdog that I should be good to go with my Rat Stat/Stant/Reische?? frankenstat.

I'm thinking you are spot on. Stant probably makes the OE stat, which is purchased  by rat-stat/reische and modified. It would cost one of us ~$10 for one, they probably buy in bulk and pay even less.

I wonder if we could get Reische to weigh in? They were relatively active in a Reische vs. LME forum a while back.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I've owned the Reische 170 and now the LME 160 (paired with Quantum Blue coolant)

I really never noticed any difference with the Reische.

With my current combo its definitely noticeable, on long decel fuel cutoff coolant temps will drop into the 160's and I'd say there is definitely more temp movement with the LME and the peaks are lower.

No change in heat output or warm up time that I've been able to tell. Low 30's right now, we will see when it gets down to zero. No cel on the stock file.

 

[derfdog15]

I've owned the Reische 170 and now the LME 160 (paired with Quantum Blue coolant)

I really never noticed any difference with the Reische.

With my current combo its definitely noticeable, on long decel fuel cutoff coolant temps will drop into the 160's and I'd say there is definitely more temp movement with the LME and the peaks are lower.

No change in heat output or warm up time that I've been able to tell. Low 30's right now, we will see when it gets down to zero. No cel on the stock file.

Did your tune account for the 170? Just curious since most say they have noticed it, and it is well reviewed on the mustang as well.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I've owned the Reische 170 and now the LME 160 (paired with Quantum Blue coolant)

I really never noticed any difference with the Reische.

With my current combo its definitely noticeable, on long decel fuel cutoff coolant temps will drop into the 160's and I'd say there is definitely more temp movement with the LME and the peaks are lower.

No change in heat output or warm up time that I've been able to tell. Low 30's right now, we will see when it gets down to zero. No cel on the stock file.

Did your tune account for the 170? Just curious since most say they have noticed it, and it is well reviewed on the mustang as well.

Yes, that was on the Torrie tuned 2013.

 

[derfdog15]

I've owned the Reische 170 and now the LME 160 (paired with Quantum Blue coolant)

I really never noticed any difference with the Reische.

With my current combo its definitely noticeable, on long decel fuel cutoff coolant temps will drop into the 160's and I'd say there is definitely more temp movement with the LME and the peaks are lower.

No change in heat output or warm up time that I've been able to tell. Low 30's right now, we will see when it gets down to zero. No cel on the stock file.

Did your tune account for the 170? Just curious since most say they have noticed it, and it is well reviewed on the mustang as well.

Yes, that was on the Torrie tuned 2013.

Hmm, hopefully I'll see results. Everything I read was reviews mentioning results, and my normal coolant temp is around 210 so hopefully ill see a bit lower.

 

[JMR76]

I've tried both the Reische 170 and the LMS 160 several times.  I prefer the Reische 170 even though I use an LMS tune and have been very satisfied with LMS support.  The Reische thermostat,  I believe is a "cold sided" thermostat that works more consistent with the the eco boost.  The LMS 160 TS is a "hot sided" TS.  It is a good quality TS but seams to be more erratic than the Reische because of the difference between the hot sided and cold sided TS.  With the LMS 160 I would definitely see Lower temps at times, but the problem was I would also see higher temps during cruising, idle or normal driving than the 170. 


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[ZSHO]

Definitely a great overall discussion and now time to get that Stat installed without having to lose much coolant....personally found it ideal and would emphasize to let the car sit overnight in order to have the least amount of coolant loss on a cold engine and would make certain to have an extra gallon of coolant just in case things don't go accordingly.best of luck to ya. Z

 

[derfdog15]

So I ordered the Reische from Lethal Performance

http://www.lethalperformance.com/reische-performance-ford-4d-170-performance-thermostat.html

10% off for black friday

Now I just have to convince myself I can burp the system properly so I can install it.

Please post pics when you get it.  The 3D stat I got for my Edge has STC or Stant stamped on it.

I think you may have already seen the pics, but they can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/BbHzI

It has STC stamped on it.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I took a log tonight and my highest CHT was 206. Lowest was 175.

With the oem stat I would hit 230.

 

[derfdog15]

I took a log tonight and my highest CHT was 206. Lowest was 175.

With the oem stat I would hit 230.

I didnt do any extended driving/traffic(stop and go) but did do a bit of driving after the install tonight.

Highest coolant temp I saw was just under 190. I do not have my fan settings adjusted yet either.

Definitely a good sign IMO.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I took a log tonight and my highest CHT was 206. Lowest was 175.

With the oem stat I would hit 230.

I didnt do any extended driving/traffic(stop and go) but did do a bit of driving after the install tonight.

Highest coolant temp I saw was just under 190. I do not have my fan settings adjusted yet either.

Definitely a good sign IMO.

Mine were during a multi and a 3RD WOT pull.

 

[derfdog15]

I took a log tonight and my highest CHT was 206. Lowest was 175.

With the oem stat I would hit 230.

I didnt do any extended driving/traffic(stop and go) but did do a bit of driving after the install tonight.

Highest coolant temp I saw was just under 190. I do not have my fan settings adjusted yet either.

Definitely a good sign IMO.

Mine were during a multi and a 3RD WOT pull.

Gotcha, once I get the tune for it, I'll grab some logs to make sure everything is still kosher, and see if there is room for improvement in another area.

 

[ZSHO]

Definitely sounds good to me......now you just need to wait for the (log warlock) himself AJP to add the finishing touch to the tune.  Z