Power per mod discussion

I gotta second the idea on an IC upgrade, most IC cores are rated for only so many CFM and you guys running higher boost levels and upgraded turbo's are flowing quite a bit more air. When you over run the CFM rating for an IC core you get a PSI drop from the inlet side vs the outlet ...what if an IC upgrade netted you more PSI entering the motor?
 
Killer chiller won't work it's for water to air ic, we have air to air. The sho/flex intercooler is in a bad spot, wedged between the radiator and the condenser and its very thin. I've looked at it with Geoff from full race and we decided it would be next to impossible to upgrade. The only feasible option I could think of was to replace factory ic with a heat exchanger for a water to air ic. The actual intercooler would go where the stock air box is. The price would be at least $1500 but I would bet be worth 40 hp on upgraded turbos due to better efficiency and less pressure drop.

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the F150 ecoboost has a lerger intercooler right ? I guess there's no way to fit it in and plumb it up ?
 
Review on 2010-2012 SHO Down Pipes from LMS website.

"Second best bang for the buck powerwise. I picked up around 12hp to the wheels. Sound is great as well. Beautifully done downpipes!"

I was hoping it would have been more like 20-25 WHP.
 
Since I was literally THE 1st to run completely catless, I wish now in hindsight, I would've had her dyno'd before/after install.....

As it stands now, I have no clue what I picked up. I don't think it really mattered much until I went and had my tune file revised anyhow. In order to truly benefit from this mod that is.
 
bpd1151 said:
Since I was literally THE 1st to run completely catless, I wish now in hindsight, I would've had her dyno'd before/after install.....

As it stands now, I have no clue what I picked up. I don't think it really mattered much until I went and had my tune file revised anyhow. In order to truly benefit from this mod that is.
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I definitely picked up HP with no change in tune, it's due to the less restriction on the turbos. I was able to run .2 faster and 2mph faster in back to back testing at the track with the only change of uncorking my cutout. My open cutout and downpipes made the exact same power on the dyno.
 
Ill try to keep this short. Im new here. Not new to ford or ecoboost. Just new to the SHO. I traded my 13' stang in for a 13' SHO and now im looking for some more power... Kinda miss my 0-60 in 3.9...

So my question is this, Ive read around here for a few days and noticed that the LMS tune may have a few bugs to work out. Im not sure if the Unleashed tune is the same way. Is it a good idea to wait for a revised tune to come out? Or is it safe to just get a tune now and go with it. Id rather not have issues on a new car.

Also do these cars gain anything from a K&N drop in? Seeing how the aftermarket intakes aren't anything more than a hot air intake.

Thanks in advance!
 
Intake question first.  Since I've been hot on it.  I really don't think you will see any noticeable gains on any intake or filter.  The drop in will let it breath easier and K&N claims 1-4 HP.  You won't notice that.  The K&N Typhoon and AirRaid claim about 12-14 HP.  You might feel that BUT allowing hot engine air in will negate that.  The AirRaid is sealed better but won't give you the "noise" like the Typhoon will. 

As far as the tune goes, there have been some reports of stuttering and maybe starving the engine at high rpms.  LMS is continuing to work on that.  ivofe just got a newer tune from LMS and is going to be testing it.  We'll see what he says.  I don't know what version he got.  V7 was the last I heard of.  That one seemed to help relieve the problems.

If you decide to go with an Unleashed tune and want to get the maximum out of it you will have to data log so Torrie can tweak it for you. Some of the guys have done this and have had fine results.  I am to lazy to data log so I just go with the LMS canned/custom tunes.
 
I've been running LMS tunes for over a year on my 13 SHO.  I never had any issues with the early ones, only 93v6 (which had more power) version and it wasn't horrible, just some minor stuttering on WOT and only for a few seconds once in a while (discussed in other threads).  v7 is a big improvement and I think they are still tweaking.  Customer service is great and they've always worked with me in a timely matter.  I can't comment on the other brands since I don't have any experience with them.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Ill wait on a true intake like on the trucks. If it ever gets made.

So is it really worth the extra cost for a LMS tune over unleashed? Not trying to start a war, im not trying to pick a favorite.. just want real world answers. I understand LMS can work with more parameters with their own programming device vs an Xcal. Is that to say the Unleashed tune would be less effective? Would future updates yield fewer gains/improvements?

Also i would  like to have some kind of monitor in the car for temperature and what not. Thats why im leaning towards the Unleashed because i can get a livewire with a tune for the price of what just the tune and device cost at LMS. I was thinking of just buying one of those 4.3" tablets and running the torque app on it if i had to.

Last question. Are the stock plugs ok to use with a tune? After i gap them correctly? Or should i go with the F150 plug since its a step colder if im not mistaken? What about using Brisk plugs?

Thank you!
 
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
 
BigPelo said:
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
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Frank: I dealt with Torrie when I purchased the 3bar map and the Tstat170 and indeed, he offers a very good customer support.

When I drove your car at the track this summer, I felt that your car was sluggish and I am curious to see what the new tune of Unleashed will do for your car... I thought either the tune needed adjustments or it was the K&N filter.

À bientôt!

Steve
 
steve142857 said:
BigPelo said:
I had LMS canned tune for 1+ year and I am now using unleashed custom tune. They both have pros and cons but Torrie is working to whip the cons off and has an outstanding customer support. I am staying with unleashed for now.
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Frank: I dealt with Torrie when I purchased the 3bar map and the Tstat170 and indeed, he offers a very good customer support.

When I drove your car at the track this summer, I felt that your car was sluggish and I am curious to see what the new tune of Unleashed will do for your car... I thought either the tune needed adjustments or it was the K&N filter.

À bientôt!

Steve
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Torrie's tune is definetly more violent! (Not has violent as your meth injected downpiped free flow exhausted SHO though) Can't wait for spring to return to Napierville dragway and compare times.

I will try to thermal wrap the aluminium piping of the K&N and see if intake temp keeps cooler.
 
It is aluminum.  I don't know if it could be ceramic coated or not.
 
68_GT said:
is the K&N intake pipe metal ? can the be ceramic coated inside and out ?
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Good question.. 4DR is more familiar with fabbing stuff..... but I seem to recollect a discussion he and I had with Jeremy over at BMR about it taking enough temp that aluminum would melt... not completely sure of the numbers.
 
DJE624 said:
4DRHTRD said:
I picked up 20HP on my PPE catted pipes, should be about the same.
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We are talking wheel horse power, right?
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Yes... 4DR said WHP  He posted a fairly long list of things by WHP gain and cost..... last updated Oct 2013 (earlier in this thread).
 
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