Put the pig on a lift.... crap..

I would actually drop to the 8-10 psi range with the ATPs and work up from there.  Yes, 8-10 psi is OEM boost zone LOL.
 
SHOdded said:
I would actually drop to the 8-10 psi range with the ATPs and work up from there.  Yes, 8-10 psi is OEM boost zone LOL.
The ATP's are still well within their comfort zone being in the low to mid 20 psi ranges.

I know 1st hand. Lol.

Now a factory block/internals though? Eh, not so comfortable.

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Whoa, 25psi?  Now we're talkin lol.  I was thinking the other day... When people talk about blowing the PTU or Trans, are they talking about from launching the car?  It seems like that is when the greatest stress would be on those parts.  So what about running much larger turbos or a big fat single turbo?  You could make more power, but not focus it all in the bottom end.  Hence, not really launch any harder but pull much harder from mid to top end.  Is that reasonable, or just naïve/oversimplifying the situation? 
 
After all I've seen over the past few years to me the CHRA is the best solution long term for a stock block SHO and someone who doesn't want to build the bottom end. The ATP's add around 500RPM of lag while the CHRA/upgraded billet wheels don't. The ATP's can easily take out a short block after about 6 months when you think you're good and then all of a sudden you're not. The CHRA are maxed around 480WHP on race gas and within the comfort zone of the stock block and even more importantly transmission which has no upgrades available.
These are my opinions after selling and participating in many builds of the ATP and CHRA to compare now. The biggest thing is no matter what there's no solution for the transmission unfortunately and TQ takes it out quickly, weeks on the Flex due to additional weight and months on the SHO.
Nothing like replacing the trans every 6-8 months...
 
SHOdded said:
As long as Ford is willing to pick up the tab each time ;)


Ha!!!! No warranty on my 2010... the only tab being picked up is the one ford hands to me. Luckily being as I know righty tighty lefty loosey I can do most of my own work... ;-)


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EcoPowerParts said:
After all I've seen over the past few years to me the CHRA is the best solution long term for a stock block SHO and someone who doesn't want to build the bottom end. The ATP's add around 500RPM of lag while the CHRA/upgraded billet wheels don't. The ATP's can easily take out a short block after about 6 months when you think you're good and then all of a sudden you're not. The CHRA are maxed around 480WHP on race gas and within the comfort zone of the stock block and even more importantly transmission which has no upgrades available.
These are my opinions after selling and participating in many builds of the ATP and CHRA to compare now. The biggest thing is no matter what there's no solution for the transmission unfortunately and TQ takes it out quickly, weeks on the Flex due to additional weight and months on the SHO.
Nothing like replacing the trans every 6-8 months...


That is my concern with the ATPs... which is why I would want a dialed in dyno tune.

The CHRA’s can be dropped in without modifying your tune correct? And how long are your CHRAs lasting?


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stealbluesho said:
EcoPowerParts said:
After all I've seen over the past few years to me the CHRA is the best solution long term for a stock block SHO and someone who doesn't want to build the bottom end. The ATP's add around 500RPM of lag while the CHRA/upgraded billet wheels don't. The ATP's can easily take out a short block after about 6 months when you think you're good and then all of a sudden you're not. The CHRA are maxed around 480WHP on race gas and within the comfort zone of the stock block and even more importantly transmission which has no upgrades available.
These are my opinions after selling and participating in many builds of the ATP and CHRA to compare now. The biggest thing is no matter what there's no solution for the transmission unfortunately and TQ takes it out quickly, weeks on the Flex due to additional weight and months on the SHO.
Nothing like replacing the trans every 6-8 months...


That is my concern with the ATPs... which is why I would want a dialed in dyno tune.

The CHRA’s can be dropped in without modifying your tune correct? And how long are your CHRAs lasting?


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No I highly suggest a tune, they spool faster and make more boost.

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FoMoCoSHO said:
Mike, does the efficiency island change?

If so do you know at what boost level they move out of that zone?

Can’t remeber who has them all but I’ve tuned ecopower parts wheel upgrades and 2 other brands of non atp wheel upgrades and they were all happy at 16-17 psi fuel was fine because they had meth....but they all needed wastegate tables reworked because they made boost so easy and spool from stock was not worse
 
Well one half dozen or another... very little oil consumption.. no loss in performance... and I just pulled a Camaro SS with at least exhaust from 50mph roll to about 110ish...

Just gotta keep an eye on the turbos until I figure out what I want to do. Thanks everyone for the info and suggestions.


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FoMoCoSHO said:
Mike, does the efficiency island change?

If so do you know at what boost level they move out of that zone?
No idea, just knew a made more power and more boost :)
My "record" times of 12.4 (12.3 75 shot) in the Flex turbo only (5800ft DA) was on the upgraded stockers, not with ATP's.
I'm going to say again for the record, in better air that would have been the first 11 second transverse vehicle as well as the first to make 600HP :)
 
EcoPowerParts said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
Mike, does the efficiency island change?

If so do you know at what boost level they move out of that zone?
No idea, just knew a made more power and more boost :)
My "record" times of 12.4 (12.3 75 shot) in the Flex turbo only (5800ft DA) was on the upgraded stockers, not with ATP's.
I'm going to say again for the record, in better air that would have been the first 11 second transverse vehicle as well as the first to make 600HP :)

Dang what track was that? Not too many people that feel the pain of terrible DA like i do up here. 5800ft is as good as it gets for me  :boom:
 
ZSHO said:
SBS Still smokin on cold startup?  Z

Never had smoke at startup. I get black soot out the tail pipes in large amounts after a reflash. It’s goes away a bit after a Tune has settled.


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Colorado-SHOBro said:
EcoPowerParts said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
Mike, does the efficiency island change?

If so do you know at what boost level they move out of that zone?
No idea, just knew a made more power and more boost :)
My "record" times of 12.4 (12.3 75 shot) in the Flex turbo only (5800ft DA) was on the upgraded stockers, not with ATP's.
I'm going to say again for the record, in better air that would have been the first 11 second transverse vehicle as well as the first to make 600HP :)

Dang what track was that? Not too many people that feel the pain of terrible DA like i do up here. 5800ft is as good as it gets for me  :boom:
SIR in Tucson
 
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