ruh oh, a problem!

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DRII

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was traveling Saturday afternoon and all of a sudden the engine begins to studder, the engine light comes on, and i smell gas in the passenger compartment.  i was able to nurse the car home and eventually to the dealer where i brought my MKS (Lexus) and extended warranty (Fidelity Platinum).  they looked at it and said Ford's Direct Injection Twin Turbo is more than what they're comfortable with working on, so they had it towed to a nearby Lincoln dealer which i have been to before.

the Lincoln dealer said they would do a diagnostic today, which i'm responsible for, and then begin repair assuming its covered under my extended warranty.  thank goodness i haven't done any mods to the car yet!

does anyone have any idea as to what the problem might be?

also, i asked the Lincoln service guy about installing the SP534 plugs in the engine, which i already purchased, since they will probably have to open the engine anyway and see it could be done under the warranty repair or at least at a reduced rate  :shifty:  maybe that will be somewhat of a silver lining...
 
Sounds like a bad injector or connection to me.  Or maybe the HPFP.
 
just got a call back from the Lincoln dealer; they said that the coil in cylinder #3 failed.  Fidelity gave the OK to proceed with the repair.

he wouldn't budge on the spark plugs (wanted full charge)  >:(, even though they clearly are going to have to open up the engine bay already.  they said the official factory plug is the CYFS123YT3 replacement and thats what they will install.  I'm not sure if thats the SP534???

anyway, he said he would be finished with it today...
 
DRII said:
are there any official TSBs from ford to replace the spark plugs with SP534s?
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I don't think so.  They'll probably put in a SP528.  At least you'll be back on the road tonight, hopefully!
 
yep hopefully, barring something crazy happening and will be driving as aggressively as ever.  the 3.5EB is a performance engine and is meant to be driven hard!  i'm disaapointed this came up, but i know not to expect perfection and will chalk this occurrence to chance (sometimes parts will fail regardless of manufacturer, and i've always had overall good experiences with Ford).

I'm glad i negotiated hard for that extended warranty, i didn't expect to have to use it so soon...
 
DJE624 said:
DRII said:
are there any official TSBs from ford to replace the spark plugs with SP534s?
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I don't think so.  They'll probably put in a SP528.  At least you'll be back on the road tonight, hopefully!
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Yep, I would also bet SP528 is what they would put in.
 
coil packs are going to fail here and there it's an electronic component. I just replaed all 8 on my 07 Expedition becasue 3-4 were bad so I just put a fresh set on there. It has 83K miles on it and with new spark plugs it runs perfectly now. You probably smelled fuel becasue the engine started dumping fuel (running very rich) becasue it went into limp mode for safety due to the misfire. Easy fix. And you can swap out your plugs in 30 minutes. It's super easy.
 
Plus 1 on that. My daddy always said if you're gonna replace 1 bad coil, do em all.


Brad
2010 SHO with PP
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68_GT said:
coil packs are going to fail here and there it's an electronic component. I just replaed all 8 on my 07 Expedition becasue 3-4 were bad so I just put a fresh set on there. It has 83K miles on it and with new spark plugs it runs perfectly now. You probably smelled fuel becasue the engine started dumping fuel (running very rich) becasue it went into limp mode for safety due to the misfire. Easy fix. And you can swap out your plugs in 30 minutes. It's super easy.
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ah yea, i wish i had some of you all's skills underhood, but sadly i don't  :-[.

and the dealer and warranty company only want to do what is technically necessary.  the tech already told me that putting in the SP534 plugs would be considered warranty fraud and that he had use the 'official' replacement plug  C:-) :angry1: C:-)
 
DRII said:
68_GT said:
coil packs are going to fail here and there it's an electronic component. I just replaed all 8 on my 07 Expedition becasue 3-4 were bad so I just put a fresh set on there. It has 83K miles on it and with new spark plugs it runs perfectly now. You probably smelled fuel becasue the engine started dumping fuel (running very rich) becasue it went into limp mode for safety due to the misfire. Easy fix. And you can swap out your plugs in 30 minutes. It's super easy.
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ah yea, i wish i had some of you all's skills underhood, but sadly i don't  :-[.

and the dealer and warranty company only want to do what is technically necessary.  the tech already told me that putting in the SP534 plugs would be considered warranty fraud and that he had use the 'official' replacement plug  C:-) :angry1: C:-)
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Them doing the bare minimum is to be expected. Did they actually use the term 'warranty fraud!?' What a joke. Whether it's ignorance or stupidity it all annoys the same.


Brad
2010 SHO with PP
Sent from my iPhone
 
FracaSHO said:
DRII said:
68_GT said:
coil packs are going to fail here and there it's an electronic component. I just replaed all 8 on my 07 Expedition becasue 3-4 were bad so I just put a fresh set on there. It has 83K miles on it and with new spark plugs it runs perfectly now. You probably smelled fuel becasue the engine started dumping fuel (running very rich) becasue it went into limp mode for safety due to the misfire. Easy fix. And you can swap out your plugs in 30 minutes. It's super easy.
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ah yea, i wish i had some of you all's skills underhood, but sadly i don't  :-[.

and the dealer and warranty company only want to do what is technically necessary.  the tech already told me that putting in the SP534 plugs would be considered warranty fraud and that he had use the 'official' replacement plug  C:-) :angry1: C:-)
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Them doing the bare minimum is to be expected. Did they actually use the term 'warranty fraud!?' What a joke. Whether it's ignorance or stupidity it all annoys the same.


Brad
2010 SHO with PP
Sent from my iPhone
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yea, 'warranty fraud'!

and then the service advisor said that i should only use the officially designated plugs because others might cause the piston to break  ::)

he was like, those 'tuner mods' are not recommended, LOL...

i was already mad that something broke in the first place and that i had to pay for the diagnostic out of pocket, so i left it alone.

if anyone knows of performance oriented service departments in the northeastern NC or southeastern VA area; please let me know...
 
Warranty fraud, my ass!  I think the Motorcraft site still lists the old SP512 as the replacement.  O'reilly auto parts' site lists both the 528 and the 534 as direct replacements for the 2010 - 2012 MKS ecoboost.

I am sure either the 528 or 534 would be fine.  If I was not running a tune, I would probably have used the 528s gapped at the recommended .035.  With higher boost levels, the cooler 534 and .030 gap is preferable.  Obviously, you don't want to tell most service writers to use 534s because you have a tune or they would certainly get their panties in a wad.

I got really good at changing coils on my Lincoln LS.  That engine was notorious for bad coils.  I haven't heard of many problems with the ecoboost but electrical components can fail.
 
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