The fuel system problem.

sunwolf

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Ok I eventually want more power than the stock fuel system can handle and I want to do it without meth and without blending E85 (pure e85 might be ok). That being said there is the huge problem of the lack of fuel system upgrades. Is it the LPFP or the HPFP that needs to be replaced or both? Is anyone still working on this?
 
I'm looking at the HPFP from a BMW N63 engine (the one in the new M5 and M6). It looks identical to the pump in our cars and it says it can handle 200 bar (2900 Psi). Wonder if it will be plug and play.
 
sunwolf said:
I'm looking at the HPFP from a BMW N63 engine (the one in the new M5 and M6). It looks identical to the pump in our cars and it says it can handle 200 bar (2900 Psi). Wonder if it will be plug and play.
Ours is capable of 3000 psi.

 
Simplest bolt on solution is to get a secondary in tank pump or bigger one. Then run a second hp pump off a belt drive system. Piggy back electrical connectors and not sure about an extra fuel port.  Could have one pump feed each bank with a crossover.

That's my thought on the matter. Unless there is a bigger fuel pump or reputable rebuild service that can work some magic .

Far as the bmw pump goes does the factory pump have much head soon to supply extra fuel like ours.
Otherwise it could be the same part
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
sunwolf said:
I'm looking at the HPFP from a BMW N63 engine (the one in the new M5 and M6). It looks identical to the pump in our cars and it says it can handle 200 bar (2900 Psi). Wonder if it will be plug and play.
Ours is capable of 3000 psi.
I have never seen mine go above ~2200 PSI. The BMW is getting almost 700HP on a tune although they have dual pumps.
 
panther427 said:
Simplest bolt on solution is to get a secondary in tank pump or bigger one. Then run a second hp pump off a belt drive system. Piggy back electrical connectors and not sure about an extra fuel port.  Could have one pump feed each bank with a crossover.

That's my thought on the matter. Unless there is a bigger fuel pump or reputable rebuild service that can work some magic .

Far as the bmw pump goes does the factory pump have much head soon to supply extra fuel like ours.
Otherwise it could be the same part
Has anyone done this? Also the BMW is doing 700HP on a tune so there is some head room yes.
 
sunwolf said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
sunwolf said:
I'm looking at the HPFP from a BMW N63 engine (the one in the new M5 and M6). It looks identical to the pump in our cars and it says it can handle 200 bar (2900 Psi). Wonder if it will be plug and play.
Ours is capable of 3000 psi.
I have never seen mine go above ~2200 PSI. The BMW is getting almost 700HP on a tune although they have dual pumps.

U shouldn't really see it go above 2200...it's controlled in the tune not to

Sounds right..if we had a dual pump 700 should be pretty easy
 
ajpturbo said:
sunwolf said:
FoMoCoSHO said:
sunwolf said:
I'm looking at the HPFP from a BMW N63 engine (the one in the new M5 and M6). It looks identical to the pump in our cars and it says it can handle 200 bar (2900 Psi). Wonder if it will be plug and play.
Ours is capable of 3000 psi.
I have never seen mine go above ~2200 PSI. The BMW is getting almost 700HP on a tune although they have dual pumps.

U shouldn't really see it go above 2200...it's controlled in the tune not to

Sounds right..if we had a dual pump 700 should be pretty easy
Can you modify that in the tune?
 
Yeah you can command different pressures by rpm vs load and some other stuff I don't know much about.

But you get to a point where you command a number that it just won't support....like when I'm at 20 or so psi in the upper rpm and I'm commanding 2200psi but only getting 1000 at the rail....or at 15 psi at 2500 rpm and commanding 2200 and only getting 1000psi at the rail....it just doesn't have the capacity

I thought a saw a scalar in my tune that the stock value for a relief valve to open and return fuel to the line at 3000psi...so I guess in theory you could command up to that...I'm not sure how healthy that would be though and the pump could never sustain that anyway under high load
 
No mention of this yet?

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