TPMS Programming Troubleshooting

MiWiAu said:
Negative, ghost rider... just now picked it up from an alignment at Tires Plus and they could not get the sensors to read from either of their two scanners. I'm going to call Ford tomorrow and see what they would charge me to attempt to program them.


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Oh boy!!! Time for the big guns and hopefully not big $$$. Good luck my friend

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BlueSHO said:
MiWiAu said:
Negative, ghost rider... just now picked it up from an alignment at Tires Plus and they could not get the sensors to read from either of their two scanners. I'm going to call Ford tomorrow and see what they would charge me to attempt to program them.


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Oh boy!!! Time for the big guns and hopefully not big $$$. Good luck my friend

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LOL, thanks man. If it's big $$$, I'll deal with the TPMS light until spring (and every winter after until the next time my new Blizzaks need replaced).
 
Is anyone aware of a way to clear any possible TPMS DTCs? I don't see any stored or pending codes through my standard OBDII scanner, so I assume these are stored elsewhere (BCM?) and require Ford IDS/VCM to read?

Is there a way to force-clear any stored TPMS codes without a special dealer interface, like disconnecting the battery, KAM reset, etc?
 
Fordparts.com definitely shows 315 MHz as correct for 2013 XSport.  433 is USUALLY for overseas units (such as Middle East).  Will be curious to see if the dealer concurs.
 
tarmstrong said:
Ford does have two TPMS's, a 315 MHZ and a 433 MHZ.  Maybe got the wrong one?

Do you know what the frequency the 2013 Explorer is supposed to use?

I checked the imprint on the actual sensors I received, and they all read 315 MHZ, which I thought was correct, but I'm not 100% positive.

On a side note, this morning, as always, I had a flashing TPMS light that transitioned from flashing to on solid. I did a KAM reset in my driveway and no more TPMS light on my 22mi drive to work, so I think the KAM reset worked to clear any stored DTC(s). I still can't get the sensors trained with my TPMS19 tool, though, so I expect a light again sooner or later. Perhaps, though, with codes cleared, the activator tool will be able to trigger the sensors now (assuming I have the right ones, haha)...

EDIT (01/10/17): I've tried using KAM reset to clear TPMS codes a couple more times, and continue to get a flashing light. I think my above experience with losing the TPMS light after a KAM reset was coincedental.

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I have an appointment at the dealer for Monday afternoon. They said it would run about $50 to reprogram.

I'll let you guys know next week whether or not I get it resolved.


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jims2015 said:
I've seen the oem reset tool for less than that. Ebay has some that are claimed to be oem.

Do you have a link? From my FSM, I cross referenced the p/n for the OEM activation tool, and it appears to have been superseded by what appears to be the ATEQ VT-30 tool. However, I cannot find it for less than $175 online.

I have the OEM Ford TPMS19 training tool that I got for ~$30, but evidently it doesn't have the ability to wake/activate new sensors, only retrain sensors to new positions that have already been paired to the BCM.

Thanks, Jim!
 
MiWiAu said:
jims2015 said:
I've seen the oem reset tool for less than that. Ebay has some that are claimed to be oem.

Do you have a link? From my FSM, I cross referenced the p/n for the OEM activation tool, and it appears to have been superseded by what appears to be the ATEQ VT-30 tool. However, I cannot find it for less than $175 online.

I have the OEM Ford TPMS19 training tool that I got for ~$30, but evidently it doesn't have the ability to wake/activate new sensors, only retrain sensors to new positions that have already been paired to the BCM.

Thanks, Jim!

You're right. It is the TPMS19. I didn't know they had limitations.
 
jims2015 said:
You're right. It is the TPMS19. I didn't know they had limitations.

No worries. It's hard to find good info on the logic and operation of the system. From what I can gather, brand new sensors that have never been programmed require a low frequency (somewhere around 125 kHz) to wake them up, which I suspect  the TPMS19 tool is not capable. Once things go wireless, it might as well try reading Chinese.




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Well, to add another layer of confusion, I ended up ordering the ATEQ VT30 service tool to see if I could resolve this myself before going to the dealer.

The VT30 reads all four sensors, pulls the sensor ID, reads pressure, Batt OK, and confirms they are 315MHz.

Still can't get these damn things to pair to the BCM in training mode.

Guess I won't be able to avoid the dealer trip. :/


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On the good news side, you can sell those useless devices 2 me at 1/2 price :P  That truly sux, this should be very much a DIY procedure.  I still think it is an interference issue, but maybe not.
 
SHOdded said:
On the good news side, you can sell those useless devices 2 me at 1/2 price :P  That truly sux, this should be very much a DIY procedure.  I still think it is an interference issue, but maybe not.

Not sure about selling these things. LOL. It was actually pretty sweet just walking up to the tire, hitting the "read" button and getting a digital pressure readout within 0.25 PSI. Lazy, but sweet. ;)

It very well could be some sort of interference, but if that's the case, I would expect the source to be on-board the vehicle. I've tried doing the learning in multiple locations, including out in the corn fields, and I'm not aware of any on-board auxiliary devices or wiring that could possibly be causing this. Hopefully the dealer can figure it out for a reasonable cost.

I read somewhere that the BCM can store up to 8 sensors (2 sets of wheels), though I couldn't find any mention of this in the service manual. If that's true, I wonder what would happen if the previous owner had a second set of wheels, or had new sensors installed when the tires were replaced.

If the additional "slots" in the BCM were taken up, would programming new sensors boot the oldest stored codes in the BCM, or would a manual clearing of the BCM be required to free up the memory?

At any rate, I wrote down all the sensor codes for both my new PI wheels and the OE 20" and will take them with me to the dealer along with my scan tool, just in case.

Now to go reload the OE tune, just in case they do something dumb like reflash the PCM. ;) Hopefully I will be able to post a root cause tomorrow after my dealer visit.
 
Very good point, maybe there IS a limit like there is or was for the PATS system.  A dealer can definitely reset, maybe even the licensed copy of Forscan.
 
SHOdded said:
Very good point, maybe there IS a limit like there is or was for the PATS system.  A dealer can definitely reset, maybe even the licensed copy of Forscan.

If anyone can confirm if the paid version of Forscan has that capability, I'd gladly purchase. :)

I'll back in check in tomorrow. :)


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MiWiAu said:
SHOdded said:
Very good point, maybe there IS a limit like there is or was for the PATS system.  A dealer can definitely reset, maybe even the licensed copy of Forscan.

If anyone can confirm if the paid version of Forscan has that capability, I'd gladly purchase. :)

I'll back in check in tomorrow. :)


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Dang Mike this is turning out to be a very expensive set of winter wheels.. Can you loan me some money? Lol  It's all good and more tools and equipment is always good

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BlueSHO said:
MiWiAu said:
SHOdded said:
Very good point, maybe there IS a limit like there is or was for the PATS system.  A dealer can definitely reset, maybe even the licensed copy of Forscan.

If anyone can confirm if the paid version of Forscan has that capability, I'd gladly purchase. :)

I'll back in check in tomorrow. :)


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Dang Mike this is turning out to be a very expensive set of winter wheels.. Can you loan me some money? Lol  It's all good and more tools and equipment is always good

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I would say (tired some).  Z
 
SMH. Had to go show the Ford "technician" how to use the TPMS service tool. Don't have a great feeling about this. LOL

I think think the first two guys were their oil change specialists. They called over a guy who was plugging in the scan tool for further diagnosis. Fingers crossed...


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