Tuning for E85

[IHeartGroceries]

Is there any development or advancement taking place with the cam driven pump?
There's absolutely no way improvements (at their full potential) downstream won't be starved by the OE.
The Mazda pumps are rebuildable (DIY) with internals, and at a reasonable cost. Surely something similar is possible on this engine.

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[Josephm]

I think Iheart is saying that just because it is in development doesn't mean it will happen as soon as we like. This has been proven many times over again in the 2.3 Mazda engine--A lot of talk of injectors but none produced.

Just because they have a release date, does not mean it will be met or scraped all together because they ran into unaccounted issues

 

[kbeck59]

I think Iheart is saying that just because it is in development doesn't mean it will happen as soon as we like. This has been proven many times over again in the 2.3 Mazda engine--A lot of talk of injectors but none produced.

Just because they have a release date, does not mean it will be met or scraped all together because they ran into unaccounted issues

Deatschwerks is a heavy hitter in this field ... if they say it's coming it will.

 

[mjlkwolfe@gmail.com]

Hi All
I have been told the F150 ECO Boost injectors are a higher flow rate then the SHO/Flex version
If so they are available  for about $40.00 each
Anyone tried them?

 

[mjlkwolfe@gmail.com]

Thought I would add something
I owned a new 1963 Oldsmobile Jetfire
Had a 215 Cu In engine with a turbo & a carter YFH carb at the turbo inlet
It came from the factory with w Methanol/ Water injection system
The fluid was expensive when purchased from the Olds dealer so eventually blended my own
With 15lbs boost & alcohol injection it would nail 409 Chevys & 413 Dodges at the dragstrip.
Showin my age aren't I

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

As for the E85 and the EcoBoost, our position has not changed. This is a hardware problem, so until a new HPFP exists (the only real way to increase flow) E85 will not be supported. And even as such, the video clearly states we recommend C85 so it's of proper quality. We know people are going to do what they want, and it's their choice to do so in the long run, so long as the car is properly set up for it.

 

[kbeck59]

As for the E85 and the EcoBoost, our position has not changed. This is a hardware problem, so until a new HPFP exists (the only real way to increase flow) E85 will not be supported. And even as such, the video clearly states we recommend C85 so it's of proper quality. We know people are going to do what they want, and it's their choice to do so in the long run, so long as the car is properly set up for it.

So much for the LMS guys being optimistic about E85 tuning ...forget it , there stuck in the mud on this subject .

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

As for the E85 and the EcoBoost, our position has not changed. This is a hardware problem, so until a new HPFP exists (the only real way to increase flow) E85 will not be supported. And even as such, the video clearly states we recommend C85 so it's of proper quality. We know people are going to do what they want, and it's their choice to do so in the long run, so long as the car is properly set up for it.

So much for the LMS guys being optimistic about E85 tuning ...forget it , there stuck in the mud on this subject .

I am sorry that is your opinion, the fact of the matter is we care more about our customer's investment than to give what we feel is bad advice. We want to ensure that their experience is the best it can be. Again, we have less of a problem with the fuel then we do the supply. We know the fuel isn't perfect (which is why we suggest a sealed drum solution to ensure quality) but all of this is irrelevant until a real fuel system solution comes to fruition. Injectors won't do anything, and neither will increasing the flow from the LPFP. Neither of these areas are a road block. The cost of good fuel is a small price to pay compared to an engine in the grand scheme of things.

 

[4DRHTRD]

As for the E85 and the EcoBoost, our position has not changed. This is a hardware problem, so until a new HPFP exists (the only real way to increase flow) E85 will not be supported. And even as such, the video clearly states we recommend C85 so it's of proper quality. We know people are going to do what they want, and it's their choice to do so in the long run, so long as the car is properly set up for it.

So much for the LMS guys being optimistic about E85 tuning ...forget it , there stuck in the mud on this subject .

I am sorry that is your opinion, the fact of the matter is we care more about our customer's investment than to give what we feel is bad advice. We want to ensure that their experience is the best it can be. Again, we have less of a problem with the fuel then we do the supply. We know the fuel isn't perfect (which is why we suggest a sealed drum solution to ensure quality) but all of this is irrelevant until a real fuel system solution comes to fruition. Injectors won't do anything, and neither will increasing the flow from the LPFP. Neither of these areas are a road block. The cost of good fuel is a small price to pay compared to an engine in the grand scheme of things.

I've invited an ethanol expert to join the forum. I'm looking forward to his response.
And for your own information I have my own test as well as 3rd party testing that LPFP upgrades do in fact make major differences.
Your testing may not have worked, mine did and so did a 3rd party that I have been working with, to the tune of 30HP just for going boost referenced FPR.
You may not believe it but I know it works. Look for a combo effort from myself and Full-Race to come out with a complete F150 fueling solution.
I love being a little guy and making awesome advancements! Not bad for a guy dreaming this stuff up in his garage and making it happen.

 

[badger@uw]

Greetings,

I've been around the ethanol supply side for a while, and wanted to address any questions regarding fuel characteristics, supply, and current pricing.

"Inferior" is generally not a fuel metric, rather the component measures of it's specifications.  'E85' is generally made at the fuel terminal to a level of ethanol content allowed by environmental factors that dictate Reid vapor pressure. (e70 for winter) as well as rack price for the components (namely RBOB and denatured ethanol).  Exact quality and ratio are dependent on quality controls at the terminal.  It would be no different in Michigan.  There have been no recent published surveys showing concern from any approved fuel blends to my knowledge - not even from the API.

A recent backlog in rail power units - from an extreme winter and demand from both container and Bakken oil has largely resolved, and basis is normalizing.  Shipment for fall denatured E approaches 2.10/gallon gross, 1.70 per gallon net (RIN spot) .    /this is at or below BTU parity and far below aromatic fraction prices.

For those concerned with exact fuel blends, I would recommend considering taking delivery on raw product and blending with RBOB. I would otherwise expect most custom fuel tables to compensate for these changes.

Please forward any questions.

Thank you,

Graham Adsit

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

As for the E85 and the EcoBoost, our position has not changed. This is a hardware problem, so until a new HPFP exists (the only real way to increase flow) E85 will not be supported. And even as such, the video clearly states we recommend C85 so it's of proper quality. We know people are going to do what they want, and it's their choice to do so in the long run, so long as the car is properly set up for it.

So much for the LMS guys being optimistic about E85 tuning ...forget it , there stuck in the mud on this subject .

I am sorry that is your opinion, the fact of the matter is we care more about our customer's investment than to give what we feel is bad advice. We want to ensure that their experience is the best it can be. Again, we have less of a problem with the fuel then we do the supply. We know the fuel isn't perfect (which is why we suggest a sealed drum solution to ensure quality) but all of this is irrelevant until a real fuel system solution comes to fruition. Injectors won't do anything, and neither will increasing the flow from the LPFP. Neither of these areas are a road block. The cost of good fuel is a small price to pay compared to an engine in the grand scheme of things.

I put up a fuel study of over 130 different test samples from around the country. The only issue with the fuels was as Graham stated, with the Reid vapor pressure, but that doesn't matter when you're mixing at 20-30% with straight 93.

It's possible that all the E-85 in Michigan is just garbage, the politicians have done a good job wrecking everything else in that state. But to come out and say all E-85 is inferior without any data whatsoever to back it up is disingenuous and an insult to everyone here.