Winter blend gas and E/85

[SHOnUup]

I went out shopping for E85 today and so far I drew a blank. The place I found on the Internet said they took it out 2 years ago. I'm still following leads. Hopefully one of them will prove fruitful. In the meantime I filled up with Mobil 93 for the first time and reset my KR. I'm not expecting any major difference but it's worth checking while I hunt E85. Kind of funny when I ask many of the station employees if they know where I could buy E85, I often get that blank stare. They don't even know what I'm talking about.

What planet are you searching for this said rare earth liquid substance?

Good luck!

Rich

Just a little hick planet called Upstate NY. At least I can get what's labeled 93 octane so it could be worse!

Sounds like you need to bring along a 5 gallon can to store some when you find it.

Rich

 

[Larrylu]

I went out shopping for E85 today and so far I drew a blank. The place I found on the Internet said they took it out 2 years ago. I'm still following leads. Hopefully one of them will prove fruitful. In the meantime I filled up with Mobil 93 for the first time and reset my KR. I'm not expecting any major difference but it's worth checking while I hunt E85. Kind of funny when I ask many of the station employees if they know where I could buy E85, I often get that blank stare. They don't even know what I'm talking about.

What planet are you searching for this said rare earth liquid substance?

Good luck!

Rich

Just a little hick planet called Upstate NY. At least I can get what's labeled 93 octane so it could be worse!

Sounds like you need to bring along a 5 gallon can to store some when you find it.

Rich

LOL!!  I bought a 5 gal pail to be dedicated for my E85 yesterday!  No fooling. You either have ESP or you are stalking me. Unreal!

 

[ZSHO]

Like some mentioned here to a similiar post,wouldnt torco satisfy the hestation and lack of performance due to the winterblend gas instead of E85 which both you have to mix and add if E85 is harder to come by,brings me back to hurricane Sandy years ago,we had to drive around looking for gas.

 

[SHOnUup]

I went out shopping for E85 today and so far I drew a blank. The place I found on the Internet said they took it out 2 years ago. I'm still following leads. Hopefully one of them will prove fruitful. In the meantime I filled up with Mobil 93 for the first time and reset my KR. I'm not expecting any major difference but it's worth checking while I hunt E85. Kind of funny when I ask many of the station employees if they know where I could buy E85, I often get that blank stare. They don't even know what I'm talking about.

What planet are you searching for this said rare earth liquid substance?

Good luck!

Rich

Just a little hick planet called Upstate NY. At least I can get what's labeled 93 octane so it could be worse!

Sounds like you need to bring along a 5 gallon can to store some when you find it.

Rich

LOL!!  I bought a 5 gal pail to be dedicated for my E85 yesterday!  No fooling. You either have ESP or you are stalking me. Unreal!

Heavy traffic ahead please take alt route...haha

Rich

 

[SHOnUup]

Like some mentioned here to a similiar post,wouldnt torco satisfy the hestation and lack of performance due to the winterblend gas instead of E85 which both you have to mix and add if E85 is harder to come by,brings me back to hurricane Sandy years ago,we had to drive around looking for gas.

Definitely an option. With the high concentration it is, seems you could easily be off on your mixing causing issues at low boost scenarios (rough idle and start up). Those are my amateur thoughts.

Rich

 

[SHOnUup]

Like some mentioned here to a similiar post,wouldnt torco satisfy the hestation and lack of performance due to the winterblend gas instead of E85 which both you have to mix and add if E85 is harder to come by,brings me back to hurricane Sandy years ago,we had to drive around looking for gas.

Good to see you round these parts again. Hope the recovery is well underway.

Rich

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Like some mentioned here to a similiar post,wouldnt torco satisfy the hestation and lack of performance due to the winterblend gas instead of E85 which both you have to mix and add if E85 is harder to come by,brings me back to hurricane Sandy years ago,we had to drive around looking for gas.

You could but there are some properties of E-85 that IDK the torco possesses. One is the enhanced charge cooling and the other has to do with the actual octane of e-85 when its direct injected that its actually much higher than the stated number. IIRC one paper that I posted says it's upwards of 160, hence my suspicion why so little seems to help so much.

 

[ecoboostsho]

Like some mentioned here to a similiar post,wouldnt torco satisfy the hestation and lack of performance due to the winterblend gas instead of E85 which both you have to mix and add if E85 is harder to come by,brings me back to hurricane Sandy years ago,we had to drive around looking for gas.

You could but there are some properties of E-85 that IDK the torco possesses. One is the enhanced charge cooling and the other has to do with the actual octane of e-85 when its direct injected that its actually much higher than the stated number. IIRC one paper that I posted says it's upwards of 160, hence my suspicion why so little seems to help so much.

That may explain why even 1 gallon has had a large positive effect. My trims adjusted now and I have zero knock. It rocks!

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[ZSHO]

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=73061 saw an article today regarding E85 and was impressed by members having such positive results,hope this adds more detail twards the positive outcome.

 

[Larrylu]

I have tried Torco just to see for myself, and it did what I expected. KR reading dropped dramatically .....worked fine!  For me though it's way way to expensive for an every tankful supplement. One or two gallons of E85 replacing one or two gallons of 93 octane E10 in a normal fill up would be a net savings even if you factor in the slight decrease in gas mileage the blended gas should deliver.  Get to have your cake and eat it too!

 

[Spartn27]

I have tried Torco just to see for myself, and it did what I expected. KR reading dropped dramatically .....worked fine!  For me though it's way way to expensive for an every tankful supplement. One or two gallons of E85 replacing one or two gallons of 93 octane E10 in a normal fill up would be a net savings even if you factor in the slight decrease in gas mileage the blended gas should deliver.  Get to have your cake and eat it too!

That's exactly how I see it too. Anyone come up with a perfect ratio? I'm thinking of trying 2 gallons this time around in a full tank, this is what I came out with using the calculator at the bottom link:

2 gallons e85 + 17 gallons 93 Octane = 94.3 Octane with 17.9% ethanol (or E18)
2.5 gallons e85 + 16.5 gallons 93 Octane = 94.6 Octane with 19.9% ethanol (or E20)

http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html

 

[SHOdded]

E15 is the limit for gen 4.1, per Ford, right?  I would go higher very cautiously.  Max 10% variance that engineers usually build in.

 

[Spartn27]

E15 is the limit for gen 4.1, per Ford, right?  I would go higher very cautiously.  Max 10% variance that engineers usually build in.

The gas cap says no E20 so that's what I've been going off of with no ill affects. I'm going to try 2 gallons to a tank which should put me at E18, though if you wanted to test the limits it would be 2.5 gallons of E85 and rest 93 octane which would be E20.

I think 2 gallons of E85 might be golden number, gives you some cushion room and it's quite easy to gauge.

 

[Airbornemaikai]

Are you taking in to account the winter blend of the e85 as well? Here it's actually e75 this time of year, and what about the 93? Is it 93 anymore and is it non ethanol 93?

 

[Airbornemaikai]

I just did a calculation based off of e75 (100 octane) and 93 with 10% ethanol which would give you that 93.7 octane and only 16.8 ethanol or e17 so lower than your initial estimate, which is good. I think it's crazy that the sho has a bigger tank than the explorer lol

 

[SHOnUup]

I just did a calculation based off of e75 (100 octane) and 93 with 10% ethanol which would give you that 93.7 octane and only 16.8 ethanol or e17 so lower than your initial estimate, which is good. I think it's crazy that the sho has a bigger tank than the explorer lol

This is what I was figuring also.

Rich

 

[SHOnUup]

E15 is the limit for gen 4.1, per Ford, right?  I would go higher very cautiously.  Max 10% variance that engineers usually build in.

The gas cap says no E20 so that's what I've been going off of with no ill affects. I'm going to try 2 gallons to a tank which should put me at E18, though if you wanted to test the limits it would be 2.5 gallons of E85 and rest 93 octane which would be E20.

I think 2 gallons of E85 might be golden number, gives you some cushion room and it's quite easy to gauge.

My exact thinking when starting this experiment.

Rich

 

[ecoboostsho]

I really wish I knew how to develop a Torque plug in. It seems like it would be relatively easy to have it tell you how much E85 to put in to hit a certain ratio if you give it enough variables and had it use the %full PID...dang.

 

[SHOnUup]

I really wish I knew how to develop a Torque plug in. It seems like it would be relatively easy to have it tell you how much E85 to put in to hit a certain ratio if you give it enough variables and had it use the %full PID...dang.

This is your expertise, guru of the tech stuff....thx again on the PID'S!!!!

Rich

 

[Larrylu]

I thought I read of an alcohol sensing functionality....maybe I'm mistaken