2013 XSport Blackstone Oil Analysis - MiWiAu
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OE Motorcraft 75W-140 Gear Oil
30,000 mi PTU sample (Post #1)
Amsoil Severe Gear 75W/140
15,314mi PTU sample attached.
Future PTU analysis reports will be attached to this post.
30,000 mi PTU sample (Post #1)
Amsoil Severe Gear 75W/140
15,314mi PTU sample attached.
Future PTU analysis reports will be attached to this post.
Amsoil Signature Series 5W-30 Motor Oil
5091 mi report attached.
7514 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 5091 mi sample)
10383 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 7514 mi sample)
12007 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 10383 mi sample. Oil/filter changed @ 12,007 mi.)
Future motor oil analysis reports will be attached to this post.
5091 mi report attached.
7514 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 5091 mi sample)
10383 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 7514 mi sample)
12007 mi report attached. (continuation from previous 10383 mi sample. Oil/filter changed @ 12,007 mi.)
Future motor oil analysis reports will be attached to this post.
Is the "make up oil" due to pulling the sample? The 3.5 ecoboost variants seem to deposit more metals in the oil than their NA siblings (double or more).
SERVICE LIFE
• Normal Service – Up to 25,000 miles, 700 hours of operation
or one year, whichever comes first, in personal vehicles not
operating under Severe Service.
• Severe Service – Up to 15,000 miles, 700 hours of operation
or one year, whichever comes first.
Severe Service: Primarily short trips (less than 10 miles [16
km]); turbo/supercharged engines; commercial or fleet vehicles;
excessive idling; first-time use of AMSOIL motor oil in a vehicle
with more than 100,000 miles; frequent towing, hauling, plowing
or driving in dusty conditions.
• Modified engines (non-stock) and those using E85 fuel are
excluded from extended drain recommendations.
• Change at the vehicle manufacturer’s recommended drain
interval outside U.S. and Canada.
• AMSOIL Ea® Full-Flow Oil Filters are designed for extended
change intervals. With other brands, do not exceed six months
or 10,000 miles unless longer intervals are recommended by
the vehicle manufacturer.
• Check oil regularly to maintain proper fill levels.
SERVICE LIFE
• Normal Service – Up to 25,000 miles, 700 hours of operation
or one year, whichever comes first, in personal vehicles not
operating under Severe Service.
• Severe Service – Up to 15,000 miles, 700 hours of operation
or one year, whichever comes first.
Severe Service: Primarily short trips (less than 10 miles [16
km]); turbo/supercharged engines; commercial or fleet vehicles;
excessive idling; first-time use of AMSOIL motor oil in a vehicle
with more than 100,000 miles; frequent towing, hauling, plowing
or driving in dusty conditions.
• Modified engines (non-stock) and those using E85 fuel are
excluded from extended drain recommendations.
• Change at the vehicle manufacturer’s recommended drain
interval outside U.S. and Canada.
• AMSOIL Ea® Full-Flow Oil Filters are designed for extended
change intervals. With other brands, do not exceed six months
or 10,000 miles unless longer intervals are recommended by
the vehicle manufacturer.
• Check oil regularly to maintain proper fill levels.
SHOdded said:
Yes, I'm not burning or leaking any oil otherwise other than some minor collections in my OCC. I should also mention I've not changed the MC oil filter either. It also has 7500 mi on it.
To collect the sample, I'm using an electric oil extractor through the dipstick tube. I pump out 8-9 oz to eliminate residual oil in the pump/lines and prevent contamination of my new sample, then fill the 3oz sample bottle.
If the oil holds up (it should based on their advertised service life), I'd like to go up to 15k between changes and do one big annual service of oil, PTU, and trans (drain and fill), with an oil filter change at 7,500 mi for good measure (although, I'm not planning to change the oil filter for this first long term sample run).
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Good to see the low fuel% number since DI engines are more prone to fuel in the oil.
What type of driving, guest, city or?
What type of driving, guest, city or?
66 Galaxie said:
I have an OCC as well, and I wonder if that helps capture some residual fuel. When I drain it (usually every 1000 mi), it has a slight fuel smell.
Pretty wide mix of driving. On average, I'd say probably about 65% city/stop and go, 35% highway/interstate. I live 20 mins from just about anywhere, so the engine is nearly always warmed up and run at operating temps for 10-15 mins before shutting it off. On this oil, I've also done all my tuning with AJP (three different octane levels and the boost regulator) and three full days of autocross, so it's certainly no stranger to A LOT of WOT.
My wife also liked to let it idle a lot over winter to warm up (remote start), which isn't the greatest.
Generally agree with Blackstone's analysis, except I am more concerned about the iron wear than they are. Compare to Mark's result on his SHO with 5W20 at about 10K miles. Granted, you likely drive the X harder than he drives his SHO. Still a big gap. Anyway, looking forward to the 12K report, and thanks for continuing along this path!
Oh, and if you can also grab the TAN at 12K ...
Oh, and if you can also grab the TAN at 12K ...
SHOdded said:Generally agree with Blackstone's analysis, except I am more concerned about the iron wear than they are. Compare to Mark's result on his SHO with 5W20 at about 10K miles. Granted, you likely drive the X harder than he drives his SHO. Still a big gap. Anyway, looking forward to the 12K report, and thanks for continuing along this path!
Oh, and if you can also grab the TAN at 12K ...
Yeah, his 9100 sample iron levels were closer (just a hair over) my 7500 mi sample. I imagine the more iron in the oil, the faster it accumulates as well due to accelerated wear. I plotted some of these numbers (in true nerd fashion), and it's definitely not a linear trend.
Thinking back, compared to how I "normally" drive my vehicles, the oil sample I'm running now has been through quite a bit: 3 different tunes and all corresponding revisions with AJP (87, 91, 93), boost regulator tuning (which took a long time to sort on my setup), 3 full days of autocross, nearly 30 dyno pulls, a full Wisconsin winter, and my "lead foot".
I'll get the TAN in addition to TBN on the 12k sample. I'm planning to switch to Amsoil SS 0W-30 on my next change and run that out to ~10k.
Iron wear seems to be the overwhelming challenge, whether in the engine or the PTU. Definitely 7500 mi on oil change seems to be a good interval, PTU ... IDK. where is all that iron coming from? Maybe talk to Amsoil see if they have insight to share.
Below is a 2014 Ford Edge AWD PTU on OEM fluid, 22K miles on the Edge/Unit
Below is a 2014 Ford Edge AWD PTU on OEM fluid, 22K miles on the Edge/Unit
SHOdded said:
Yeah, good question, especially since the other wear metals seem so much lower (at least on the last PTU sample). I'll shoot the reports to Amsoil and see if they give any feedback. Have you heard of them providing insights into others' reports in the past?
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I mean most here are modding their cars and Spending XXX and then want to cheap out on a oil change. Stikes me funny. And its not because they spend XXX that they have to change to the oil less.
It is really quite simple. No matter what our oils can do. Todays filters cannot filter out the crap thats accumulates over long OCI. Blackstone results prove this.
One thing you are not looking at is the Viscosity change over time. 3500 mile oil flowing compared to 10,000 pr 12,000 mile oil at -20 deg or how it will hold up to extreme heat. Analysis is one thing. Real world performance is another.
Laugh all you want Fonzarino.
It is really quite simple. No matter what our oils can do. Todays filters cannot filter out the crap thats accumulates over long OCI. Blackstone results prove this.
One thing you are not looking at is the Viscosity change over time. 3500 mile oil flowing compared to 10,000 pr 12,000 mile oil at -20 deg or how it will hold up to extreme heat. Analysis is one thing. Real world performance is another.
Laugh all you want Fonzarino.
Macgyver said:
Don't get your panties in a wad, broseph. For me, this was a one-time experiment to see if the oil would hold up to Amsoil's claim of 15k miles of severe duty service. For my vehicle and usage, this does appear to be the case. I'm not advocating others implement extreme oil change intervals. I was just sharing my data with the community.
Personally, I plan to perform future oil/filter changes at much shorter intervals and keep an eye on wear through intermittent analysis.
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