2013 XSport - DTC P0016 - Camshaft Position Correlation, Bank 1

[SHOdded]

It won't really save time with the intercooler install, unless the shop is taking out the engine to do the timing/pump work (i.e., not the factory way).  Then it definitely makes sense to do the IC at the same time.

 

[MiWiAu]

So, I’ve got a rattle on cold start coming from front passenger side. I never heard this until AFTER my timing chain replacement (less than 2k miles ago). I haven’t noticed the noise after it has warmed up.

Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/rB__R-5hyY0


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[SHOdded]

Sounds terrible.  What all did they replace?

 

[MiWiAu]

Sounds terrible

LOL. Good thought. Think it could be timing chain rattle? Not sure exactly what timing chain rattle sounds like, but I would guess something like this...


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[SHOdded]

Did you post the invoice of the repair work?  I would like to see what all they changed out.  Strange the noise goes away after warmup.  Sure you have put 5W30 in there?  Belts and tensioner look OK? Motorcraft oil filter in use?

 

[MiWiAu]

Did you post the invoice of the repair work?  I would like to see what all they changed out.  Strange the noise goes away after warmup.  Sure you have put 5W30 in there?  Belts and tensioner look OK? Motorcraft oil filter in use?

Post 33 has the estimate with all the parts. I’ll have to check the repair order to see if they specify the oil type used. The replaces the oil and coolant after the repair. I haven’t changed the fluids since the repair.

I just left town for work, so I won’t be able to do anything with it until Friday.


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[ZSHO]

Did you post the invoice of the repair work?  I would like to see what all they changed out.  Strange the noise goes away after warmup.  Sure you have put 5W30 in there?  Belts and tensioner look OK? Motorcraft oil filter in use?

Post 33 has the estimate with all the parts. I’ll have to check the repair order to see if they specify the oil type used. The replaces the oil and coolant after the repair. I haven’t changed the fluids since the repair.

I just left town for work, so I won’t be able to do anything with it until Friday.


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The sound really troubles me!
I would make an Appt ASAP with mentioned symptoms.  Z

Repair bill Middle of page!
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,9785.30.html

 

[SHOdded]

K so they did main timing chain, coolant pump, phasers and solenoids.  They did not do tensioners and guides, or secondary chains.  Tensioners and guides are always recommended to be done at the same time.

Anyway, here is the official list of parts involved in the timing system

17 AT4Z-6268-C Timing Chain
EXPLORER; PRIMARY

$68.07 $46.97
17 7T4Z-6268-CA Timing Chain
EXPLORER; SECONDARY; W/ TURBO

$23.48 $16.20
18 7T4Z-6K254-AA Tensioner
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; SECONDARY; RIGHT

$42.37 $29.23
18 7T4Z-6K254-BA Tensioner
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; SECONDARY; LEFT

$50.85 $35.09
18 BA5Z-6L266-B Tensioner
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; PRIMARY

$37.15 $25.63
19 BA5Z-6B274-A Tensioner Arm
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; LEFT

$23.43 $16.17
19 BA5Z-6K255-A Tensioner Arm
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; RIGHT

$22.67 $15.64
20 BA5Z-6M256-A Chain Guide
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; PRIMARY CHAIN; RIGHT

$12.08 $8.34
20 BA5Z-6K297-B Chain Guide
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO; PRIMARY CHAIN; LEFT

$12.32 $8.50

7T4Z-6M280-C Control Valve Solenoid
EXPLORER; W/ TURBO

$83.37 $57.52

minus the cam/crank sprockets.

 

[MiWiAu]

So, I’ve heard that Ford repairs come with a 24 month warranty? If that’s true, does the work have to be done by the original servicing dealer, or can it be any Ford/Lincoln dealer?

Looks like I have some leg work to do when I get back from my trip.


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[SHOdded]

Parts come with a 2 yr/unlimited mileage warranty.

At my dealer, service warranty is 3 months/4,000 miles.  IDK if it is transferable.  You should pursue with the servicing dealer, then take it up the ladder to Ford if necessary, before attempting a second servicing dealer.

 

[MiWiAu]

I’ve been in contact with the dealer. The truck will be making another trip early next week for evaluation. They confirmed parts and labor associated to my prior repair are covered 24 months, unlimited mileage.

I’ll keep you posted on what they find.


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[SHOdded]

Good warranty, hope their workmanship is up to snuff.

 

[MiWiAu]

Update: The rattle was diagnosed today as a bad belt tensioner and is being replaced under my new ESP for the $100 deductible.


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[SHOdded]

timing tensioner?

 

[MiWiAu]

timing tensioner?

I believe he was referring to the serpentine belt tensioner. Will confirm shortly when I pick up.

I’m a bit skeptical, but trying hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Worst case, I bring it back tomorrow...


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[Macgyver]

timing tensioner?

I believe he was referring to the serpentine belt tensioner. Will confirm shortly when I pick up.

I’m a bit skeptical, but trying hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Worst case, I bring it back tomorrow...


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So when did you get the ESP ? I was thinking about getting one soonish.

 

[MiWiAu]

So when did you get the ESP ? I was thinking about getting one soonish.

Just a couple months ago right after the timing chain failure before I rolled 75k miles.

I got mine through Ziegler Ford for over $1000 less than I was quoted by Ford ESP direct.

I opted for the 60k/48 mo plan, which was the most I could add with my current mileage. There’s an inspection form that the dealer needs to complete, which ran me $125.

https://www.zeiglerfordesp.com/process/quickquote.aspx?type=primary



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[MiWiAu]

timing tensioner?

I believe he was referring to the serpentine belt tensioner. Will confirm shortly when I pick up.

I’m a bit skeptical, but trying hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Worst case, I bring it back tomorrow...


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Confirmed - they replaced the serpentine belt and tensioner.

My skepticism is waning. After several days of this rattle (consistently appearing 45-60 sec after a cold start), there was no noise this morning...

Repair order attached for posterity.

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[SHOdded]

Would be great if this is true, fingers crossed   First instance of rattling caused by belt tensioner.  Usually it's like cards in bicycle spokes kind of "flitting" sound, mostly on colder days/near freezing & below.

 

[MiWiAu]

Would be great if this is true, fingers crossed   First instance of rattling caused by belt tensioner.  Usually it's like cards in bicycle spokes kind of "flitting" sound, mostly on colder days/near freezing & below.

Yeah, I definitely would have guessed chain slap. Didn’t sound like any tensioner/belt issue I’ve heard.

The little nugget in the repair order is to remove the accessory belt and see if the noise goes away. I could have done that, but I was convinced it was timing chain related.

I’ll check back if the noise returns.


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