ACES IV - An effective octane booster and anti-wear additive?

[SHOdded]

At least here, in Maryland, you don't get all the "primo" detergent stuff in 87 octane gasoline, you HAVE to buy 93 octane (premium).  The price difference is easily 45-50 cents per gallon.  So for those of us running 87, this product would definitely be worth looking at.

Any idea if the DI engines can get the valves cleaned up over time, or do you have to start with clean to stay clean?

 

[Dxlnt1]

At least here, in Maryland, you don't get all the "primo" detergent stuff in 87 octane gasoline, you HAVE to buy 93 octane (premium).  The price difference is easily 45-50 cents per gallon.  So for those of us running 87, this product would definitely be worth looking at.

Any idea if the DI engines can get the valves cleaned up over time, or do you have to start with clean to stay clean?

The detergent affect was one of the things he advertises. Says for my car with 60k miles, maybe 3 tank fulls to clean everything out. Then be able to see the full potential power gains and efficiency from the additive.

 

[IHeartGroceries]

You know, I'm not a chemist. But, I'd really like to see some serious data about the composition of this stuff.

I mean, there's a ton of additives out there to enhance octane, and by more reputable sources than just STP at AutoZone. I know this stuff isn't octane specific...but, the Audi forum is making claims that it's actively enhancing fuel octane by possibly 9 points, allowing them to run a 100 tune on 91 PON. That's simply unheard of. If such a possibility existed, refiners would be spending way fewer resources refining fuel to upper tier grades, and would just be squirting in some of this unicorn jizz into their fuels to meet octane standards. Kind of like they're doing now with ethanol. They're like, well if the government is going to mandate ethanol as an oxygenate, we're not going to give away octane by refining blendstocks to 93 and then just further enhancing with ethanol blending. Unless of course it is comprised with chemicals that aren't approved for use by the government or something.

If you search the web, even some of the most acclaimed boosters out there don't enhance better than a few points. Afterall, the quality of fuel, including octane, lies in its molecular structure. Additives are used predominantly for detergent qualities.

But, there appears to be data out there which supports the manufacturer's claims. So...not sure how to argue with that.

But, even unicorn jizz can't overcome the mechanical limitations which are inherent to GDI design, with regards to carbon deposits. However, I'm ignorant to what precautions ford has taken with their newer revisions/GDI technology, as it is possible to mitigate the issue with injector timing events and valve overlapping and such.

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[SHOdded]

Definitely worth asking Torrie about, and if one is brave enough, be a testbed to gather data on the product.

 

[BiGMaC]

You know, I'm not a chemist. But, I'd really like to see some serious data about the composition of this stuff.

I mean, there's a ton of additives out there to enhance octane, and by more reputable sources than just STP at AutoZone. I know this stuff isn't octane specific...but, the Audi forum is making claims that it's actively enhancing fuel octane by possibly 9 points, allowing them to run a 100 tune on 91 PON. That's simply unheard of. If such a possibility existed, refiners would be spending way fewer resources refining fuel to upper tier grades, and would just be squirting in some of this unicorn jizz into their fuels to meet octane standards. Kind of like they're doing now with ethanol. They're like, well if the government is going to mandate ethanol as an oxygenate, we're not going to give away octane by refining blendstocks to 93 and then just further enhancing with ethanol blending. Unless of course it is comprised with chemicals that aren't approved for use by the government or something.

If you search the web, even some of the most acclaimed boosters out there don't enhance better than a few points. Afterall, the quality of fuel, including octane, lies in its molecular structure. Additives are used predominantly for detergent qualities.

But, there appears to be data out there which supports the manufacturer's claims. So...not sure how to argue with that.

But, even unicorn jizz can't overcome the mechanical limitations which are inherent to GDI design, with regards to carbon deposits. However, I'm ignorant to what precautions ford has taken with their newer revisions/GDI technology, as it is possible to mitigate the issue with injector timing events and valve overlapping and such.

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On the website BND does claim cleaning or at least reduced deposits on the intake valves of GDI... I'm sure it is proprietary if true, but I'd like to hear the chemistry also.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

You wont get it, they have Federal Trade protection from Uncle Sam.

I've spent a ton of time researching this stuff and I believe it may be the real deal.

Apparently there about 10k people in the Charger forums using it.

I'm gonna order some and test it, oil and fuel cleaner.

Getting that kind of octane boost without having to take a fuel volume hit would be fantastic.

 

[BiGMaC]

You wont get it, they have Federal Trade protection from Uncle Sam.

I've spent a ton of time researching this stuff and I believe it may be the real deal.

Apparently there about 10k people in the Charger forums using it.

I'm gonna order some and test it, oil and fuel cleaner.

Getting that kind of octane boost without having to take a fuel volume hit would be fantastic.

I'll be very interested in your results... I'm hoping it is the real deal.  The cost would be negligible if it performs half of what the claims say and does no damage or affect turbo longevity.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I would highly suggest spending some time in his vendor section on the charger forums.

He has converted some skeptics for sure....

 

[IHeartGroceries]

I would highly suggest spending some time in his vendor section on the charger forums.

He has converted some skeptics for sure....

I'll check it out!

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[Dxlnt1]

You wont get it, they have Federal Trade protection from Uncle Sam.

I've spent a ton of time researching this stuff and I believe it may be the real deal.

Apparently there about 10k people in the Charger forums using it.

I'm gonna order some and test it, oil and fuel cleaner.

Getting that kind of octane boost without having to take a fuel volume hit would be fantastic.

If you the learned octane gauge in torque, maybe monitor that to see if car-puter notices a change. And if anyone close to Torrie or LMS, and/or can do datalogging would stupndous. (only big word I know).

I will probably order next week. My LOR in torque is non responsive. So I will only have the booty touch, taste, feel to "know" if its working. And my cars economy. I track mileage logs for every fill up so that will be easy.

Brian did say for the first few tanks you run expect to see "soot" out of tail pipes. This is normal and evidence of cleaning. He didnt say how much soot or smoke if any.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

DX, you talked to Bryan already?

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I'm ready to drain the break in oil in 300 miles and start the tuning/datalog process so the timing couldn't be better.

 

[SHOdded]

DX, take out that space after SIGNED in the LOR equation (as Rich pointed out), it should work then.  Even so, remember, it IS a RATIO, not an absolute number, so the way to see what it does is to see how fast it goes to -1 each time you add the ACES IV at fillup time, say with 87 gas, while updating the tune itself (87 then 91 then 93 & so on).  no need to say that datalogging is absolutely critical to determine remaining headroom and avoid limphome mode.

 

[Dxlnt1]

DX, you talked to Bryan already?

We spoke for a bit yesterday. I encouraged and invited him to come over the forum to answer questions for a very interested crowd. He didn't commit but said he has worked a few ecoboost engines.

 

[Dxlnt1]

DX, take out that space after SIGNED in the LOR equation (as Rich pointed out), it should work then.  Even so, remember, it IS a RATIO, not an absolute number, so the way to see what it does is to see how fast it goes to -1 each time you add the ACES IV at fillup time, say with 87 gas, while updating the tune itself (87 then 91 then 93 & so on).  no need to say that datalogging is absolutely critical to determine remaining headroom and avoid limphome mode.

I corrected the LOR formula and it is working now. I did think and maybe hope it would be an actual octane number. I may play with formula a bit to see if it changes. Or has someone already tried that.

Im still no go on the AWD status or modulation.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

DX, you talked to Bryan already?

We spoke for a bit yesterday. I encouraged and invited him to come over the forum to answer questions for a very interested crowd. He didn't commit but said he has worked a few ecoboost engines.

We spoke for about 45 minutes tonight.

He will be joining us after I send him some contact info this evening.

I will be moving forward once he's done his necessary research about our platform.

 

[Dxlnt1]

DX, you talked to Bryan already?

We spoke for a bit yesterday. I encouraged and invited him to come over the forum to answer questions for a very interested crowd. He didn't commit but said he has worked a few ecoboost engines.

We spoke for about 45 minutes tonight.

He will be joining us after I send him some contact info this evening.

I will be moving forward once he's done his necessary research about our platform.

Awesome. I will be buying too some time next week. If you are running meth, ask about his catalysts for meth users.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

DX, you talked to Bryan already?

We spoke for a bit yesterday. I encouraged and invited him to come over the forum to answer questions for a very interested crowd. He didn't commit but said he has worked a few ecoboost engines.

We spoke for about 45 minutes tonight.

He will be joining us after I send him some contact info this evening.

I will be moving forward once he's done his necessary research about our platform.

Awesome. I will be buying too some time next week. If you are running meth, ask about his catalysts for meth users.

I would prefer to attain my goals without meth, I'm hoping Brian can assist me with that.

 

[ElvenSho]

This would be awesome. 100 octane tune would be great

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[SHOdded]

I suspect the "100" octane would be for street use, maybe even for dragstrip, but nothing that requires more continuous operation in that range.  Continuous operation is where the real thing is required.

I am interested in the entire range of offerings BND has to offer, but would like to evaluate/research each product's reported data ceteris paribus.