E85 or 100 octane

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00D3IEIY0?cache=0f2b72a5b87d58617a0a8417d1273015&pi=SY200_QL40&qid=1406040753&sr=8-1#ref=mp_s_a_1_1

Anyone ever try this? Says it will fight phase separation.
 
Wonder if I can do this... since the whole point of ethanol is its octane couldn't I just use less 98% to equal the same octane as a 85% would do.
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True, but it seems that RON/MON hit a brickwall around E50, i.e., it's not a linear gain out to E85.  So figure on topping out octane-wise at 102.  Don't know how you get to 116 or 120 octane.
 
SHOdded said:
True, but it seems that RON/MON hit a brickwall around E50, i.e., it's not a linear gain out to E85.  So figure on topping out octane-wise at 102.  Don't know how you get to 116 or 120 octane.
After reading a few pages I found most say it's within those margins.

Not that this page is trustworthy or not. I just use it to compare to others as well.
http://www.fairgroveoil.com/racing-fuels/e98.html


" Due to the high octane rating of E98 (approximately 120), it is an excellent alternative to buying premium, Methanol or nav gas for high performance engines.  "

http://www.e98racing.com/faq1.htm
 
"E-98 consists of 98% Ethanol and 2% race fuel" - Wonder about the octane rating of the race fuel (I assume unleaded) used.
 
Just after that line it state's "pure ethanol has a 113 octane rating." So it's 113 then they add race gas to increase the octane even more.
 
So on this fill up i actually added a little more E-85 that 93.

New blend...
E43
99 octane

FRP still a tick over 2500, but I haven't driven much on this tank. I suspect I will see higher #'s

LTFT is over 25 during certain cruising RPM's no CEL or DTC's yet.

I am seriously considering reversing my fill up scenario and adding the corn first then driving to Shell just to see what happens.

Worst case is car freaks out on my short drive to Shell.

Best case is nothing happens and I cruise right by...

Leaving plenty of room to add 93 will be key if I decide to move forward with this little experiment...
 
I put e85 in before 91 and drove for a little. I got a CEL , bank rich. Nothing with drivable ty happened so I wouldn't worry.

I just talked to my e98 supplier. The cost is 2.25 a gallon. It's so incredibly cheap I want to bury a fuel tank in my yard.
 
wasinger3000 said:
I put e85 in before 91 and drove for a little. I got a CEL , bank rich. Nothing with drivable ty happened so I wouldn't worry.

I just talked to my e98 supplier. The cost is 2.25 a gallon. It's so incredibly cheap I want to bury a fuel tank in my yard.
Interesting you got a rich code. 1st time at 40 trims went crazy high but ended up well under 25. But that is a lean condition.  I would have suspected a bank lean code due to trims over 25.
 
FoMoCoSHO said:
wasinger3000 said:
I put e85 in before 91 and drove for a little. I got a CEL , bank rich. Nothing with drivable ty happened so I wouldn't worry.

I just talked to my e98 supplier. The cost is 2.25 a gallon. It's so incredibly cheap I want to bury a fuel tank in my yard.
Interesting you got a rich code. 1st time at 40 trims went crazy high but ended up well under 25. But that is a lean condition.  I would have suspected a bank lean code due to trims over 25.
I'll have to do it again and see what happens. It was the very first time putting e85 in but the tank was almost empty. Maybe 2 gallons of 91 in.
 
I wasn't watching trims when I first started e85. All I was worried about was the a/f at the time. Last night my LTFT was in thr 14's.
 
ok.. ive been doing some thinking. I really wish there was a way to test octane so i could know for sure whats what.  Has anyone run a 40% mix tuned yet? or is it a certain thing that 30% is limit.

So far everything i do could be wrong if the octane rating of different percents of ethanol is off. Most calculations ive seen say anything at 50% and up to 85% are 105 octane. Which means using 65% ethanol would yield a higher octane rating with a lower overall % concentration of ethanol than using 85%. Which would allow us to have a higher octane and still have enough fuel pressure vs using 85% to achieve the same octane.

Now after that, i've found that 98% is found to have 113 octane. Which would allow for a higher octane rating and still a lower concentration of ethanol which would allow for higher octane and more fuel pressure.

Here are some of the mixes i've calculated.
E85 (Gals) 9.00 @ 65%, 105 octane.
Gas (Gals) 10.00 @ 0%, 91 octane.
96.7 octane
30.8% ethanol (or E31)
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E85 (Gals) 9.00 @ 85% 105 octane.
Gas (Gals) 10.00 @ 0% 91 octane.
96.7 octane
40.3% ethanol (or E40)
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E85 (Gals) 8.00 @ 85%, 105 octane.
Gas (Gals) 11.00 @ 0%, 91 octane.
96.1 octane
35.8% ethanol
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E98 (Gals) 7.00 @ 98%, 113 octane.
Gas (Gals) 12.00 @ 0%, 91 octane.
99.1 octane
36.1% ethanol
 
What kind of numbers would you expect to get if you only added a couple of gallons of E85 to a fill up on E10 / 93 octane?
 
I don't have access to any 93. Also I went with 91 at 0% because it's a top tier station that has the separate hoses for the different grades which ensures that you are getting 91 the entire time. Where as the stations that use a single hose for 3 grades requires you to use up to 5 gallons before you get the selected grade. So I would be getting 5 gallons of 87 in the car which would bring down my overall octane rating.

But the use of say 93 at 5% would make 97.4 octane @ 34%.
 
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