EBC Brake pads. Can you mix types?

[wasinger3000]

I have been on the phone off and on for a few hours now trying to order a set of rotors and pads for my car. As of right now EBC does not have a yellow stuff pad out yet for the 13+ SHO. (So i've been told) So far all I can get for my car is the USR rotors for the front and rear with redstuff pads up front and greenstuff in the rear.

My question is this, is it ok to run the greenstuff in the rear with redstuff in the front? Will this cause a braking imbalance? I called EBC and I was given an (uhhhh yeah that should be ok) response. So far im not very pleased with how hard it is to find a set of matching brakes for this car.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I find it hard to believe running 2 different pad compounds will be good for braking performance.

OEM rotors with PP pads is a great combo.

 

[ZSHO]

How would Ceramic pads work with organic pads for a DD,THATS BS IMO

 

[Vortech347]

Its not a problem at all.  A lot of track stangs run different compounds.  I've of people run XP8 rear's and XP10's on the front.  I've ran HAWKS HPS front and generic duralast gold ceramic's for my street pad/rotor combination for years.  I use that setup to occasional auto-x and drag.

But, I don't know EBC's "stuff" classifications.  But If you go to aggressive on the street the car will squeal like a freight train when you stop and your rotors will get hammered just as if you were racing on them.  Plus the dust is insane with track compounds.

 

[wasinger3000]

I did some more reading but haven't found a definitive answer yet.

This is from EBC's site.  Redstuff:  Nominal friction coefficient 0.5
                                Greenstuff: Nominal friction coefficient 0.55

Although this is just one single variable, they have nearly the same friction coefficient.

Does anyone know how much of the rear provides braking to these cars? Since the rotors are the same size id suspect they are fairly active in stopping the car although the caliper and pad size is quite a bit smaller than the front. Obviously the front provide the most. (should go without saying).

 

[Vortech347]

I did some more reading but haven't found a definitive answer yet.

This is from EBC's site.  Redstuff:  Nominal friction coefficient 0.5
                                Greenstuff: Nominal friction coefficient 0.55

Although this is just one single variable, they have nearly the same friction coefficient.

Does anyone know how much of the rear provides braking to these cars? Since the rotors are the same size id suspect they are fairly active in stopping the car although the caliper and pad size is quite a bit smaller than the front. Obviously the front provide the most. (should go without saying).

That's only a fraction of information needed to choosing the right pads.  It's like only knowing the lift on a cam with no other information.

 

[wasinger3000]

I did some more reading but haven't found a definitive answer yet.

This is from EBC's site.  Redstuff:  Nominal friction coefficient 0.5
                                Greenstuff: Nominal friction coefficient 0.55

Although this is just one single variable, they have nearly the same friction coefficient.

Does anyone know how much of the rear provides braking to these cars? Since the rotors are the same size id suspect they are fairly active in stopping the car although the caliper and pad size is quite a bit smaller than the front. Obviously the front provide the most. (should go without saying).

That's only a fraction of information needed to choosing the right pads.  It's like only knowing the lift on a cam with no other information.

That's all I am able to find and the EBC employees are not much help. So do you think I should find something else to run? I'd much rather have matching pads.

Should I run hawk HPS front and rear and skip EBC pads altogether?

 

[SHOdded]

Wouldn't worry about it much.  Drive it for a while, test in safe spots, and see how you like the performance.  As long as you are not mixing pads on the same axle, should be fine.

 

[wasinger3000]

Just found this.

EBC Redstuff should be used at both front and rear for optimum balanced brake performance but if this is outside your budget see the “Can use” table below:

On Front       OK to fit or have on rear
Original       Ultimax only
Ultimax       Ultimax or original
Greenstuff       Greenstuff, Ultimax or Redstuff or original
Redstuff       Redstuff or Original
Yellowstuff       Yellowstuff,Green,Red,Ultimax or original

 

[SHOdded]

Nice!  Still think you can judge for yourself, but it's up to you   Like Vortech pointed out, compare the differences - pad compound, cold vs warm behavior, etc. see how different they really are.  If there's a substantial difference in specifications, then more chewing over is needed.

 

[wasinger3000]

Nice!  Still think you can judge for yourself, but it's up to you

I think it would be ok but I really don't want to have abs issues on snow and ice. It could be the difference. Also wonder how torque management will be affected.

Since the green pads are rated for hatchback and sub 200bhp car I'm betting the big girl will destroy them. An emergency Stop from 90+ down to 0 destroyed the stock pads and rotors last time I drove the car.

 

[SHOdded]

Seems to me your decision is clear then.  Get Hawk or another brand you like, on all 4 corners.

EDIT:  EBC part numbers for the 2013 (pg 216):

                  FRONT            REAR
Greenstuff        DP21886          DP21887
Redstuff          DP31886C        DP31887C
Yellowstuff       DP41886R        DP41887R

 

[wasinger3000]

Seems to me your decision is clear then.  Get Hawk or another brand you like, on all 4 corners.

EDIT:  EBC part numbers for the 2013 (pg 216):

                  FRONT            REAR
Greenstuff        DP21886          DP21887
Redstuff          DP31886C        DP31887C
Yellowstuff       DP41886R        DP41887R

Unfortunately there is only one EBC facility I can talk to in the U.S and the only pad they offer for both front and rear is the Greenstuff. I do not want the Economy car brake pads so I'm back to square one. Might look into carbotech.

 

[SHOdded]

Carbotech, Porterfield should definitely have some offerings available ...

http://porterfield-brakes.com/search.php
AP1611 - R4-S

Set of 4 Pieces
Front for FORD: 13-14 Explorer Heavy Duty Brakes,13-14 SPORT, 13 Flex Heavy Duty Brakes, 13-14 FLEX HD brakes, 13-14 Taurus, 13 Taurus SHO // LINCOLN: 13-14 MKS, 13-14 MKT (HD/Gray Calipers)

AP1612 - R4-S

Set of 4 Pieces
Rear for FORD: 13-14 Explorer HEAVY DUTY BRAKES, 13 Flex Heavy Duty Brakes, 13 Taurus Police, 13 Taurus SHO // LINCOLN: 13-14 MKS, 13-14 MKT HD Calipers

http://www.ctbrakes.com/pads.asp?Make=Ford&Model=Taurus_SHO

 

[Vortech347]

Personally I think the PP pads are plenty aggressive for the street and even auto-x.  Before the snow hit I went through my fav canyon at a pretty quick pace.  My Marauder would have had flames shooting from all 4 wheels with the braking I was doing and had zero fade or problems.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Personally I think the PP pads are plenty aggressive for the street and even auto-x.  Before the snow hit I went through my fav canyon at a pretty quick pace.  My Marauder would have had flames shooting from all 4 wheels with the braking I was doing and had zero fade or problems.

Having had both, all I can say is I love the PP pads.

The PP bite better and they don't bitch when pushed hard.

The non-pp got noisy with any provocation. No fade but the noise was embarrassing for a car at this price point.