Ford removing cars from the us

[Livernois Motorsports]

Personal opinion it is a very bad choice on fords behalf to get rid of all these vehicles that are always in high demand and with gas prices increasing this is a very bad move on their part but we will still be here continuing full support for all of our ecoboost owners!

 

[griggs95]

I say let the free market decide if we need electric cars or not. Currently electric cars make up like 1% and obviously people really aren't that hip to the whole idea of them yet. They also aren't as good for the environment as they want us to believe. If this country stopped all greenhouse gases today for the next 20 years, it would only make a 5% difference worldwide because of everyone else's emissions.

Still takes fossil fuels to charge the cars, toxic plants making batteries, tires, metals, lithium mining etc etc. Cattle and all the other livestock are what is really making up a little over half of all the greenhouse gasses, so why is this never mentioned?

If you really want to fix the problem (which they don't) stop having a bunch of kids. Whats the problem with every problem we have - ta da - overpopulation.

Over fishing, air quality, CO2's, landfills, housing, starvation, pensions, health etc. Every single problem we have is tied to overpopulation yet nobody is talking about it.

Honestly, when I see a family with a bunch of kids it makes me sick now. All I see if a future burden for the rest of us. With outsourcing and robotics, what jobs do these dumb dumbs think they're kids are going to have? This is a country of consumerism now and a little production instead of the opposite in which it used to be. Think outside yourselves and just look back 20 years then look into the future 20 more; that's a blink of an eye in time but just try it.

 

[SHOdded]

Beget and be gotten, eh?

 

[5ohSHO]

I have been tossing the idea around of getting rid of the PI for an actual SHO ever since my wife got hers. This news may have helped me make up my mind haha. I didn't realize how hard it was to find a new PP car though.

 

[wraitherx]

Makes me want another sho


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[dubcitySHO]

I didn't read the entire press release.  Is the PI gone as well?  They sell a TON to LE agencies all across the nation... 

 

[StealBlueSHO]

My guess with all these odd seemingly made decisions is that these are not made by really with information gathered by people....

Think about all the data Ford gets now...

They get it from all the dealers(sales, repairs, maintenance, etc), all the sync updates where information is sent back , all the places that participate in carfax, etc etc etc...

That’s a CRAP load of data given how many Fords are on the road... and I bet all this data is being crunched on the back end by their datacenters to pull ALL kinds of information...organize it... and predict trends. They still have the data from the last gas increase a few years back. So they can model based on historical information now...

ROI on the sedan market vs ROI on the CUV/SUV market is what it is at the end of the day....

I could go on... but... in any event I have no doubt there is petabytes of data that was analyzed before making this call...




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[SHOdded]

Data mining, gotta love it, LOL.  They always think they have taken up mindreading ... Until proven wrong.  There is a difference between people making do and what they really want.  Question is:  is the future indeed promising?

 

[Brucelinc]

As a long time Ford guy, I am saddened by the news.  However, as a Ford stockholder, I think it makes some sense.  Keep in mind Ford is NOT in the business to make cars - they are in the business to make MONEY.  This has always been true but especially under current Ford leadership.  Sales and market share mean nothing.  Profit means everything.

Personally, I could be happy with a new Ranger and a new Mustang.    Many of my friends and relatives have already abandoned sedans and are happy with their Explorers, Expeditions or Escapes.  I hate seeing the Fusion discontinued but Ford has a nasty habit of not keeping their car line-up competitive.  The Taurus is a good example - no updates since 2013.  The Fusion hasn't been substantially changed either. 

If Ford cared as much about cars as they do trucks, their cars would be world class.  Sadly, they often let their cars rot on the vine.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

Data mining, gotta love it, LOL.  They always think they have taken up mindreading ... Until proven wrong.  There is a difference between people making do and what they really want.  Question is:  is the future indeed promising?

It’s actually pretty scary.. I work in the business of machine learning and artificial intelligence... which is basically what all these major companies are using with the data-mining to make decisions.... what they can do with the data is scary... additionally you bet your butt that not only is ford pulling information first hand they are also buying information from other data-mining organizations to feed into their data processing warehouses...

In any event... What people want vs what they are doing is usually very different...

At this point, the biggest issue is taking into account major world issues that can change the decision making process on a mass scale for people. But then again... no risk no reward.


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[bpd1151]

Well having worked in the Law Enforcement field for 24yrs now, I can tell you 1st hand statistics can, and often are.... skewed.

The same can be applied to this data mining crap.

For example if using two points of data alone, such as Sync updates and Vehicle Health Reports in order to help them glean their image of the future.....

Well how many of us DON'T routinely participate in either of those....?

So you can have an @$$ load of vehicles/owners out there from which data is never being collected from.

Just one small example just saying.

I'm sure other examples can be provided, but that's just right off the top of my head.

I think what is the most shocking is the excision of nearly their entire car lineup.

All of what has been discussed here about market share, profit margins, who, or what is to blame, etc. is all reasonable discussion and each point does hold merit for sure.

But what is unreasonable is pulling the plug on every offering sans a sport car (Mustang) and essentially a go cart (Focus) and Ford plopping all their eggs into one basket (Trucks/SUV's).

My guess is, both short and long term, they'll come to regret their decision(s) and by then..... most of us will sadly have said buh bye to Ford.

Until then, I'll continue enjoying my SHO and morph into one of those crusty old f@ck$ who will enjoy piloting my own ship on refined fossil fuels, and never looking back.

 

[Gjkrisa]

Another link article is good but some of what people are saying not so much
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/04/28/ford-taurus-fusion-fiesta-chevrolet/556702002/

I do understand what people want and what people actually buy totally true.

Do hope this just means Ford will just come out with something else but if this is what statics shows so that Ford stays on top and it works good for them.


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[bpd1151]

Looksie looksie..... Ron Porter was interviewed by USA Today for this article posted just yesterday 04/27/18....

www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/04/27/ford-ends-taurus/554968002/

 

[griggs95]

A lot of really interesting comments on this subject so far.

Again, this will be interesting to watch this idea unfold and see what the market does to Ford. Will it screw them here in the U.S. or help them...hmm? I'm putting my money on the people will NOT adapt well to this and will NOT be brand loyal like I am. I always found a vehicle through Ford that suited my needs and half of that now has just been swooped up by another auto maker which has yet to be determined. I'm not a Dodge or Chevy guy but we'll see and I may just buy used Ford's from now on.

To put us all in a group that this data collecting does is not reality. However, one possible good thing out of this is the Taurus might just become something that will hold value since it will be the last great sleeper they made in a four door. Time will tell.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Regardless of what I believe about US energy policy I think this is a stupid move on Fords part.

I'm in the market for another car but unless I get an aggressive lease, there's no way I'm buying a new Ford, this could decimate resale values for current owners.

There is nothing for me from Ford.

They literally just told all a huge chunk of their customer base to go Eff themselves with this move.

How come foreign manufacturers manage to make money on cars but for some reason Ford and GM can't figure it out?

I was getting ready to buy a large chunk of Ford stock but after this move I think I will do something else. Call it my vote of no confidence. Maybe I should short it instead...

 

[StealBlueSHO]

Looksie looksie..... Ron Porter was interviewed by USA Today for this article posted just yesterday 04/27/18....

www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/04/27/ford-ends-taurus/554968002/

This article is pretty accurate. Nice find... Mr. Porter is correct in there is still a large segment of car buyers who want a performance sedan...

Case and point... Audi, BMW, and Mercedes all offer a four door sports sedan... and we see them EVERYWHERE...

I’m not a mustang guy... I’m not a CUV/SUV guy.... sooo... this might be my last ford? Dunno... been driving fords since I was 15...

Oh well....


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[EcoAbe]

Ford has to stay relevant. Blockbuster was not killed off by Netflix as people like to assert. Blockbuster killed Blockbuster because they chose not to keep up with the times. If the market calls for Crossovers, SUVs, and lite duty trucks, why would Ford continue to build unprofitable vehicles instead of throwing all of their resources into the market where people are shopping? I get the whole gas debate, but personally feel that is irrelevant as we move toward better efficiency, hybridization, and plug in electric capabilities. From a pure business perspective, Ford has to start returning a stronger stock value to their shareholders.

The "Big 3" Euro manufacturers build the majority (all?) of their Audi/MB/BMW sedans in Germany and ship them to the states. With the flip of a switch, they can introduce or kill a vehicle destined to North America. So if Ford figures out 3 or 4 years down the line they made a huge mistake, what would stop them from importing the Mondeo from Europe, and bring additional Focus models over from China, and make them legal for the US market?

Then you have the Lincoln debate... if LMC could bring the starting price of the base model MKZ down to $29,995, re brand the vehicle, and use materials from the Fusion Titanium and save the more "premium" Lincoln materials for higher trims or as an optional package, the MKZ could be a stronger competitor to the A4, 3 series, C class sedans in the states. Introducing an EcoSport equivalent crossover would likely bode well if this is how the market is heading, similarly to how Buick has the Encore.

 

[bpd1151]

Ha.

Had to laugh as I came across this article from Associated Press, that documents fuel prices are at their highest levels in 3 years....

And that they're STILL CLIMBING!!!

http://abc7chicago.com/travel/gas-prices-rising-drivers-facing-most-expensive-driving-season-in-years/3411160/

Hahaha. I am so gonna laugh at all those high end truck and SUV buyers when they can't get rid of their $70k plus vehicles and are left scrambling for more fuel efficient cars / sedans.

Oh the irony I tell 'ya.

 

[sholxgt]

I'm waiting for Ford to have a glut of F150's on lots.  They are literally $20k overpriced.  You can spec a F250 Superduty 6.2 for less than an F150 before rebates.

Most automakers produce a full line of vehicles.  Most offer SUV's, small cars, larger cars, and sometimes trucks.  The reason is because a lot of families stick with one brand at a time and, if the brand doesn't offer what they currently need, the family could jump ship as a whole.  Here's a fictitious example of what will happen when Ford drops cars.  Meet the Smith family.  John and Lisa have two kids.  Sara (15) and Bobby 10.

John and Lisa both drive Fords.  Lisa has an Explorer/Edge/Flex and John has a Fusion/Taurus/MKZ.  John drives cars because he drives 30k per year and likes the efficiency and driving style of a car.  It's time for John to replace his Ford car, but alas...Ford doesn't make cars.  He considers a small SUV, but decides that they just aren't for him.  This sends John into a whirlwind of shopping online until, one day, his neighbor comes home in a new Camry/Accord/Malibu.  He goes and test drives one and is sold.

This gives Lisa new car envy and the dealer that sold them the car treated them well.  They trade in her Explorer/Edge/Flex and get a 4Runner/Pilot/Acadia.  Guess what happens the next year.  Sara turns 16 and has been saving her baby sitting money.  They get her a Corolla/Fit/Sonic.

Ford has likely lost this family forever!

This may all sound far fetched, but most families in my neighborhood, my parents neighborhood and almost every other neighborhood in America have two cars or a car and an suv/truck in the driveway and often they are from the same brand.  Toyota, Chevy, and Ford have become the size they are because of their product assortment allowing them to capture entire families.  When Ford looses the car member of the family, they run the risk of loosing the other members as well.

What makes it even more likely to go that direction is that Ford products aren't that special in the marketplace.  I'm a Ford guy, but realistically Toyota, Honda, GM, etc build equally good products.  The last thing Ford needs is for people to venture onto the other car makers lots.  A good salesman or a good deal could put them into another brand and the reliability of the vehicle could sway the entire family into the replacement brand for generations to come.

 

[SilvererSHO]

I'm waiting for Ford to have a glut of F150's on lots.  They are literally $20k overpriced.  You can spec a F250 Superduty 6.2 for less than an F150 before rebates.

Most automakers produce a full line of vehicles.  Most offer SUV's, small cars, larger cars, and sometimes trucks.  The reason is because a lot of families stick with one brand at a time and, if the brand doesn't offer what they currently need, the family could jump ship as a whole.  Here's a fictitious example of what will happen when Ford drops cars.  Meet the Smith family.  John and Lisa have two kids.  Sara (15) and Bobby 10.

John and Lisa both drive Fords.  Lisa has an Explorer/Edge/Flex and John has a Fusion/Taurus/MKZ.  John drives cars because he drives 30k per year and likes the efficiency and driving style of a car.  It's time for John to replace his Ford car, but alas...Ford doesn't make cars.  He considers a small SUV, but decides that they just aren't for him.  This sends John into a whirlwind of shopping online until, one day, his neighbor comes home in a new Camry/Accord/Malibu.  He goes and test drives one and is sold.

This gives Lisa new car envy and the dealer that sold them the car treated them well.  They trade in her Explorer/Edge/Flex and get a 4Runner/Pilot/Acadia.  Guess what happens the next year.  Sara turns 16 and has been saving her baby sitting money.  They get her a Corolla/Fit/Sonic.

Ford has likely lost this family forever!

This may all sound far fetched, but most families in my neighborhood, my parents neighborhood and almost every other neighborhood in America have two cars or a car and an suv/truck in the driveway and often they are from the same brand.  Toyota, Chevy, and Ford have become the size they are because of their product assortment allowing them to capture entire families.  When Ford looses the car member of the family, they run the risk of loosing the other members as well.

What makes it even more likely to go that direction is that Ford products aren't that special in the marketplace.  I'm a Ford guy, but realistically Toyota, Honda, GM, etc build equally good products.  The last thing Ford needs is for people to venture onto the other car makers lots.  A good salesman or a good deal could put them into another brand and the reliability of the vehicle could sway the entire family into the replacement brand for generations to come.

I personally am not very brand oriented but I agree with what you said because lots of people are.  The biggest reason I never really had much to do with Ford before is because I couldn't stand the styling of their cars and trucks from about the mid-nineties and the following 10-15 years after.  Going forward I really don't see me buying another one either since they aren't going to offer me anything I'd be interested in.  New truck prices are insane so if I ever get a used one to replace my old GMC it will be a GM product just for the LS motor vs. the 5.4 Ford motor that would be in anything in my price range.  I don't use a truck to make a living so it's hard to justify the cost of something I just haul crap around with on occasion. I like the Mustang but that's out of the question until a couple of kids move out of the house.  The Flex, Taurus and Fusion are gone so I guess I'll look elsewhere.

My grandpa has been gone for about 7 years now and I still think my 74 year old dad resents the man for being a Ford man.  I should probably just park at the end of the driveway when I go over to my parents place when I drive my Taurus.  I can just feel the death stare.  It's nuts.