Full hard pipe CAI from FastLaneTurbo 3.5 EB
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I unfortunately have to agree, I will bet it's more eye candy than powerful. Doing a test at the track will only be a valid before/after. Need to remove it and test it at the track which isn't viable. Not trying to crap on their product but that's going to still see a ton of under hood HOT air.
SwampRat said:
We need a dyno pre CAI (or without one at all) and then after they install the FL CAI.... Timeslips would also be nice.... all the rest is speculation... Please ask them to get us some hard comparison facts since you seem to be in close contact, TIA ... only the delta is important... not the suppositions.
The unit is supposed to seal against existing hood insulation, I thought, to prevent temps from rising at the filter? Temporarily stick a temp sender in that area to monitor information while the hood is closed, as it is doubtful anyone here will be running the SHO at the track with their hoods removed 
BigMac ..... Some of the Terminology you are using is a little " Greek " to me and probably others as well .
So splain yourself please in regards to the the use of "delta " . You use the term frequently and I'm at a loss .
I will try to work with Fastlane to the issue of the heat shield and the draw source for fresh outside air . I as well saw this as an issue and asked Mike about it prior to my latest post . I did not get a clear response from him and during the conversation I brought up the AIT concerns that were apparent and then we drifted into CAC's and development ( not by them ) of this and the need for one for the transverse 3.5 EB.
I believe ideally it should be in a semi enclosed Box with the upper area sealed against the Hood drawing air through the OEM snorkel area . Maybe that can be fabricated through someone else if they can't as I am open to getting that part done locally in Tulsa if Fastlane is unable to do so .
From there a sealed in the Hood Air inlet Vent / Scoop above the filter box area could be done afterwards to draw more fresh air in as a secondary inlet . This is something only a very few would consider but done subtly by a good body shop would look sick !
I'm trying simply to find a better CAI solution than what is currently available as there really are no credible alternatives at this time .
Mike .... 4DRHTRD simply has the problem of too many pots on the fire to accomplish everything by himself .
This CAI design is not at the moment a perfect solution but at least credible in the sense that Fastlane is at least trying .
I look at it this way and a few others here as well I think are of the same mindset .
If this CAI shows some improvement over Stock it will be worth it to me and strictly from an asthetics point of view it is worth it to me .
I am a modder and asthetics are Very important in what I do . The OEM air filtration system looks like crap .
I will bring this up again about further modifications that this CAI needs to keep HOT engine air away from the filter inlet and necessary improvements to the design and see if they can accommodate .
I'll keep you informed as I find out .
So splain yourself please in regards to the the use of "delta " . You use the term frequently and I'm at a loss .
I will try to work with Fastlane to the issue of the heat shield and the draw source for fresh outside air . I as well saw this as an issue and asked Mike about it prior to my latest post . I did not get a clear response from him and during the conversation I brought up the AIT concerns that were apparent and then we drifted into CAC's and development ( not by them ) of this and the need for one for the transverse 3.5 EB.
I believe ideally it should be in a semi enclosed Box with the upper area sealed against the Hood drawing air through the OEM snorkel area . Maybe that can be fabricated through someone else if they can't as I am open to getting that part done locally in Tulsa if Fastlane is unable to do so .
From there a sealed in the Hood Air inlet Vent / Scoop above the filter box area could be done afterwards to draw more fresh air in as a secondary inlet . This is something only a very few would consider but done subtly by a good body shop would look sick !
I'm trying simply to find a better CAI solution than what is currently available as there really are no credible alternatives at this time .
Mike .... 4DRHTRD simply has the problem of too many pots on the fire to accomplish everything by himself .
This CAI design is not at the moment a perfect solution but at least credible in the sense that Fastlane is at least trying .
I look at it this way and a few others here as well I think are of the same mindset .
If this CAI shows some improvement over Stock it will be worth it to me and strictly from an asthetics point of view it is worth it to me .
I am a modder and asthetics are Very important in what I do . The OEM air filtration system looks like crap .
I will bring this up again about further modifications that this CAI needs to keep HOT engine air away from the filter inlet and necessary improvements to the design and see if they can accommodate .
I'll keep you informed as I find out .
panther427
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There pipe with the enclosed box that is in my head will be perfect
Sorry' bout that SW ... delta= difference in two things... actual dyno findings in this case. (post CAI dyno findings) - (pre CAI dyno findings) = net gain or loss of HP and or TQ
I think efficiently getting really the coolest air possible to the turbos is a real concern for us all... mine was prompted by earlier dyno testing Mike and I did on my car... posted in the dp install thread.
The factory intake and air box doesn't seem to be a restriction to flow based on that testing (which surprised me!).... closing it completely maximizes elimination any chance of under hood air... not pretty... but the Ford engineers did a good job there IMHO.
FastLane is working on the next, and unknown step in air induction... that saxophone snake thing... (I agree with that wholeheartedly).. but again, we'll need pre and post install testing to know... kudos to them if they do it. I agree.. it's a major step if the performance is proven! I hope it does as I have a factory box being custom built in CF with two separate ceramic coated tubes to turbos)... I hope it works... but like you also wanted aesthetics and and for me sound control also as I don't want my SHO to sound like my wife's diesel personally (you and I are both OC about how our engine bay looks... LOL) I am not doing it for sales... and trying a few more ideas to keep the air colder in the design... more on that later.
An intake through the hood is a viable option for sure too!... i'd still want to see OEM vs that mod dynos on it.
We are all looking for that CAI that actually does what all the manufacturers claim for sure... sooner or later all the bits and pieces will show us the way. My posts are not meant to be a challenge... I just want the info so we know
Then it's on to figuring out a better intercooler... and the pre engine block part will be done after that.
Again Kudos to all working on this issue of outside to turbo engine breathing... What we need is the real data.... Pretty, but proven performance is where we want everyone to end up.... That's why I posed the question....
I think efficiently getting really the coolest air possible to the turbos is a real concern for us all... mine was prompted by earlier dyno testing Mike and I did on my car... posted in the dp install thread.
The factory intake and air box doesn't seem to be a restriction to flow based on that testing (which surprised me!).... closing it completely maximizes elimination any chance of under hood air... not pretty... but the Ford engineers did a good job there IMHO.
FastLane is working on the next, and unknown step in air induction... that saxophone snake thing... (I agree with that wholeheartedly).. but again, we'll need pre and post install testing to know... kudos to them if they do it. I agree.. it's a major step if the performance is proven! I hope it does as I have a factory box being custom built in CF with two separate ceramic coated tubes to turbos)... I hope it works... but like you also wanted aesthetics and and for me sound control also as I don't want my SHO to sound like my wife's diesel personally (you and I are both OC about how our engine bay looks... LOL) I am not doing it for sales... and trying a few more ideas to keep the air colder in the design... more on that later.
An intake through the hood is a viable option for sure too!... i'd still want to see OEM vs that mod dynos on it.
We are all looking for that CAI that actually does what all the manufacturers claim for sure... sooner or later all the bits and pieces will show us the way. My posts are not meant to be a challenge... I just want the info so we know
Then it's on to figuring out a better intercooler... and the pre engine block part will be done after that.
Again Kudos to all working on this issue of outside to turbo engine breathing... What we need is the real data.... Pretty, but proven performance is where we want everyone to end up.... That's why I posed the question....
BiGMaC said:
^^I will be supplying another option for the intake system of this platform. It will come in 4 variations, of the variations there will be an option for a sealed factory box made of carbon fiber as BigMac mentioned above. Details will be out in the following week or two.
Spartn27 said:
NO teasers allowed .... come on give us a little more !
Is the OEM plastic crap replaced with quality metal tubing and components ?
I'm open to any quality production piece that really has a good fresh air source , offers less restriction in the actual plumbing to the turbos and it has to LOOK sharp with proof of power gains .
It sure would be sweet to get a true CAI that extends beyond the initial intake pipe. SwampRat; you'll have this beautiful CAI with your beautiful hotpipes, and stock crap plastic connecting the two. lol
Trying to get my nomenclature straight so help me out. When does an intake pipe become a charge pipe? Post turbos?
Trying to get my nomenclature straight so help me out. When does an intake pipe become a charge pipe? Post turbos?
I made it by there on Saturday and hung out for a few to talk to the guys and check out the shop. Great guys very knowledegable and they have alot of really cool project cars, and a nice facility.
I asked about the CAI for SwampRat and they said it was out on the SHO with the 87 octane tune was was supposed to bring it back later this week wirh upgraded turbos and exhaust for dyno testing. I don't know how to get a before and after dyno gains for thir CAI.
They asked me about tuning for E85 I told them I'd love to and they mentioned that a Mazda customer had his fuel injectors modified for larger capacity. I have never heard ogf modifying fuel injectors, I alway just replaced them.
I asked about the CAI for SwampRat and they said it was out on the SHO with the 87 octane tune was was supposed to bring it back later this week wirh upgraded turbos and exhaust for dyno testing. I don't know how to get a before and after dyno gains for thir CAI.
They asked me about tuning for E85 I told them I'd love to and they mentioned that a Mazda customer had his fuel injectors modified for larger capacity. I have never heard ogf modifying fuel injectors, I alway just replaced them.
68_GT said:
Great news 68_GT ..... thats KILLER info on the E85 .
If you can get back please address our concers as to the heat shield needing to be redesigned to isolate the Air intake from underhood engine heat and it needs real flow of outside fresh air to it to keep IAT's as low as possible .
I'll be calling him soon as well , just don't want to push too hard as I appreciate what they are doing for us .
I told them to pass along to the fabricator to extend the intake into the fenderwell to hold the air filter in there. He told me they were aware all of our biggest concerns is IAT's.
Do you know when that other SHO is suppoed to dyno ? I'd like to go see it, but I'll be out of town this coming weekend.
Do you know when that other SHO is suppoed to dyno ? I'd like to go see it, but I'll be out of town this coming weekend.
panther427
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Mod of injectors is common on diesels now days