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Is our hpfp used in any other di?
- Thread starter tgambob
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People aren't willing to put in R&D because of our limited market which I can't blame businesses for. The fuel system limits are kind of a let down for the platform and will probably be why I go a different direction in the future.
tgambob said:I was just seeing that there are rebuild services and kits to upgrade most other cars/trucks hpfp. So it got me thinking there might be some commonality with one of these kits
That is correct on all accountsAJP turbo said:I thought it was a rather common bosch...ask fomocosho he reads about our hpfp for fun and in his spare time lol
It's a bosch unit and its used in pretty much all the Ecoboost applications and plenty of others like VW and Audi.tgambob said:Is our 3.5 hpfp specific to ford or is it an off the shelf delphi unit? Like the Mazda speeds or vw/audi? Any commonality in displacement of the pumps?
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4871.0.html
HPD-5
The problem is it's not as simple as slapping on a bigger pump. (which exist)
These pumps are cam driven so we may be maxed by our cam profile and there also may be unknown tuning aspects involved.
Our current pump is capable of generating 3000 PSI but only creates 2150 from the factory.
I may have found somebody who can get us answers but I haven't heard back...yet.
The problem is it's not as simple as slapping on a bigger pump. (which exist)
These pumps are cam driven so we may be maxed by our cam profile and there also may be unknown tuning aspects involved.
Our current pump is capable of generating 3000 PSI but only creates 2150 from the factory.
I may have found somebody who can get us answers but I haven't heard back...yet.
It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...SHOdded said:Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.
EcoPowerParts said:It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...SHOdded said:Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
From http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/_pdf/cyclone-tech-v2.pdf ---
EcoBoost uses what appears to be a billet steel intake cam with the
special lobe. We’ve already seen one generic cam broken in two, so perhaps the EcoBoost billet cam was intended to
add some strength due to the mechanical fuel pump.
EcoBoost uses what appears to be a billet steel intake cam with the
special lobe. We’ve already seen one generic cam broken in two, so perhaps the EcoBoost billet cam was intended to
add some strength due to the mechanical fuel pump.
CroR1 said:That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.
EcoPowerParts said:It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...SHOdded said:Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
You are kidding right cro?..so what kind of parts should ford have used?..with just a tune the sho can run mid 12's and have 450hp and over 500ftlbs of tq at the crank
No, I'm not kidding. Just saying, that camshaft should not snap just like that.
AJP turbo said:CroR1 said:That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.
EcoPowerParts said:It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...SHOdded said:Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
You are kidding right cro?..so what kind of parts should ford have used?..with just a tune the sho can run mid 12's and have 450hp and over 500ftlbs of tq at the crank
Maybe it had nothing to do with the cam, maybe they altered the spring rate or length and caused the cam to snap. You can't compress fluids. Modifying these pumps isn't a simple proposition, if it was, we wouldn't be having these conversations.CroR1 said:No, I'm not kidding. Just saying, that camshaft should not snap just like that.
AJP turbo said:CroR1 said:That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.
EcoPowerParts said:It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...SHOdded said:Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
You are kidding right cro?..so what kind of parts should ford have used?..with just a tune the sho can run mid 12's and have 450hp and over 500ftlbs of tq at the crank
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