Livernois Big Bore Package and Block Sleeve Upgrade

Livernois has the rods and pistons now.  They look pretty beefy next to the stock versions.  I would love to be able to do them along with bigger turbos and a few more cubes.  Beats the heck out of meth in my book.
 
I just to clear up some of the confusion as to why we haven't posted this product on the site. As the Facebook post mentioned, it is in development, so we do not know where it will end up for a final price. We have had the shortblocks available for years, but just now are people pushing the envelope enough to need these options. We are finalizing all of the bits and pieces needed for the shortblocks to be able to finalize pricing and get them on the site. We have a good number of these in process now that some pro-active customers have decided to take these first steps into a new area of upgrades for these cars.
 
Livernois Motorsports said:
I just to clear up some of the confusion as to why we haven't posted this product on the site. As the Facebook post mentioned, it is in development, so we do not know where it will end up for a final price. We have had the shortblocks available for years, but just now are people pushing the envelope enough to need these options. We are finalizing all of the bits and pieces needed for the shortblocks to be able to finalize pricing and get them on the site. We have a good number of these in process now that some pro-active customers have decided to take these first steps into a new area of upgrades for these cars.
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  Well when its time for my complete motor rebuild with turbo upgrade and dynotune, I think I'll be shipping the ride up to LMS! 
 
bigmoneycloser said:
Any idea what type if gains you are gonna pick up with something like this?


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my guess if you leave everything else exactly the same and just swap in these larger pistons you might pick up 25crank hp but with them being forged you would have more ability to for a more aggressive tune and a lot more boost with out the fear of damaging a facory piston which is where you would have the larger benefit from this change.

all that being said I wonder how we can even make enough power with these cars to even need a upgraded piston ?  Do the upgraded turbos have enough ability to warrant needing forged pistons ? If so our cars could be monsters with forged pistons and a ton more boost. Then on to upgrading the transmission and PTU etc etc etc....

might have been cheaper to just start with a GTR to begin with :)
 
I would think with a upgrade like this, to really push the envelope you'd be looking at more fuel and aftermarket turbo's. At which point an upgraded transmission/PTU sounds like a must-have to me (as you mentioned 68_GT).
 
In regards to the question of whether or not upgraded rods and pistons are necessary for the 3.5L Ecoboost, here are a couple of photos of an engine that was sent to us for upgrading after suffering a failure. This was a rather high output engine with tune, turbos, etc. As the pictures show, there is a power limit to what the stock parts will handle before failure.

From examining the pistons, rings and bearings there are no signs of this failure being related to detonation or fuel. At power levels above 400WHP you start to get into a territory where the parts are near their outer limits, Beyond 450WHP you get into the territory where it's just a matter of when, not if, the stock rods and pistons will have a failure, because of this a piston and rod upgrade become practically a necessity in order to avoid eventual catastrophic engine failure. Again, while you could probably get away with running the stock bottom end near the 450WHP level, it's only a matter of time before the parts will catastrophically fail.
 
Being a neophyte, I feel uniquely qualified to ask this question:  Can we use parts from the F150 for these boosted power levels, or do we really need a package similar to what Livernois offers?  Any comparisons between the OEM F150 parts and the LMS upgraded parts for the transverse engine?  TIA!
 
Livernois Motorsports said:
In regards to the question of whether or not upgraded rods and pistons are necessary for the 3.5L Ecoboost, here are a couple of photos of an engine that was sent to us for upgrading after suffering a failure. This was a rather high output engine with tune, turbos, etc. As the pictures show, there is a power limit to what the stock parts will handle before failure.

From examining the pistons, rings and bearings there are no signs of this failure being related to detonation or fuel. At power levels above 400WHP you start to get into a territory where the parts are near their outer limits, Beyond 450WHP you get into the territory where it's just a matter of when, not if, the stock rods and pistons will have a failure, because of this a piston and rod upgrade become practically a necessity in order to avoid eventual catastrophic engine failure. Again, while you could probably get away with running the stock bottom end near the 450WHP level, it's only a matter of time before the parts will catastrophically fail.
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Once you did this big bore kit with pistons and rods... How streetable will the truck be????


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SHOdded said:
Being a neophyte, I feel uniquely qualified to ask this question:  Can we use parts from the F150 for these boosted power levels, or do we really need a package similar to what Livernois offers?  Any comparisons between the OEM F150 parts and the LMS upgraded parts for the transverse engine?  TIA!
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The F150 parts are only slightly better, definitely not worth the effort as they are barely an upgrade over the SHO.

bigmoneycloser said:
Livernois Motorsports said:
In regards to the question of whether or not upgraded rods and pistons are necessary for the 3.5L Ecoboost, here are a couple of photos of an engine that was sent to us for upgrading after suffering a failure. This was a rather high output engine with tune, turbos, etc. As the pictures show, there is a power limit to what the stock parts will handle before failure.

From examining the pistons, rings and bearings there are no signs of this failure being related to detonation or fuel. At power levels above 400WHP you start to get into a territory where the parts are near their outer limits, Beyond 450WHP you get into the territory where it's just a matter of when, not if, the stock rods and pistons will have a failure, because of this a piston and rod upgrade become practically a necessity in order to avoid eventual catastrophic engine failure. Again, while you could probably get away with running the stock bottom end near the 450WHP level, it's only a matter of time before the parts will catastrophically fail.
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Once you did this big bore kit with pistons and rods... How streetable will the truck be????


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Really, the streetability would have no change as we are only increasing CID.

bigmoneycloser said:
And can the trans and all handle this upgrade??


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This is the next great question as well. As these get pushed harder and harder there will be more weak links found. The likely answer is that it can handle more power than the engine, but that limit is unknown.
 
LMS
Will you guys be doing this upgrade to your Xsport?
If so can you post dyno results or any other tech info on benefits of this package.( besides strengthening the motor)
Thx


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bigmoneycloser said:
LMS
Will you guys be doing this upgrade to your Xsport?
If so can you post dyno results or any other tech info on benefits of this package.( besides strengthening the motor)
Thx


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Mo money mo money  .... just  give em mo money .....
I don't think your playin fair  .....  LOL
Just ship it to them with a big fat wad of cash ... then no one can touch you , BMC
 
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