Livernois custom tune with upgraded turbos dyno results

[explorergotoluvit]

^^^^l love that you were waiting to do that. But that not saying i don't like what you say because you bring a little facts with it and they don't and Im all about getting everything out of a stock motor as I push as much out of my sti as was aloud so even though i don't have fact on these motors yet I like you pushing a big company to put some sort of facts on the table for us so we can learn..

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

And here it comes, bashing time on LMS for doing nothing more than giving giving the customer the tune that he wanted and following up with their perspective on the matter. So let's just cut to the chase and have an administrator step in and shut the thread down prematurely as two opposing views can only exist for eight consecutive posts in this forum.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I don't see any bashing I see spirited debate.

Carry on.

 

[explorergotoluvit]

^^^ Ya shut it down for having different views GOOD IDEA

 

[panther427]

OK so it can make power but they lowered it at customer request that's good.  But I'm curious about the safe level drooping from 450 to 400 wheel horse power?  I would like to know the exact reason. Is it all 2013 thing or you wanna be a little safer side of things?

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

^^^ Ya shut it down for having different views GOOD IDEA

Obviously you have not followed the progression of these debates on other threads or do not have the ability to pull out the fact I was mocking the idea of closing down threads during debate.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

I think it would be cool if a function could be built in similar to the old HKS scramble boost controller, or Ford's overboost function. I understand being conservative for longevity, but it might be a nice option to be able to override the base settiings for short periods of time.

IMHO that would be the best of both worlds.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

^^^ Ya shut it down for having different views GOOD IDEA

Obviously you have not followed the progression of these debates on other threads or do not have the ability to pull out the fact I was mocking the idea of closing down threads during debate.

In all fairness this can be difficult to discern with text based communication.

 

[JimiJak]

And here it comes, bashing time on LMS for doing nothing more than giving giving the customer the tune that he wanted and following up with their perspective on the matter. So let's just cut to the chase and have an administrator step in and shut the thread down prematurely as two opposing views can only exist for eight consecutive posts in this forum.

Wow...sensitive much?
I'm sorry no one is able to disagree with lms or even ask questions without offending you, but I for one would LOVE to know if pushing my motor over 450whp is actually more detrimental than we originally thought. Nothing negative has been said.

I'm not bashing you either SRT8, but honestly, what's wrong with asking for proof just like any of us would do for any other member making these claims?

Also, onlya6's original post doesn't sound to me like he asked to stay at just 400... Where did you get that from?

 

[Josephm]

And here it comes, bashing time on LMS for doing nothing more than giving giving the customer the tune that he wanted and following up with their perspective on the matter. So let's just cut to the chase and have an administrator step in and shut the thread down prematurely as two opposing views can only exist for eight consecutive posts in this forum.

LOL am I the only one that thinks this is funny?

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

I think it would be cool if a function could be built in similar to the old HKS scramble boost controller, or Ford's overboost function. I understand being conservative for longevity, but it might be a nice option to be able to override the base settiings for short periods of time.

IMHO that would be the best of both worlds.

Livernois actually has a tuner that will do this on the new Mustangs. This functionality would be such a nice option to have.

 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

And here it comes, bashing time on LMS for doing nothing more than giving giving the customer the tune that he wanted and following up with their perspective on the matter. So let's just cut to the chase and have an administrator step in and shut the thread down prematurely as two opposing views can only exist for eight consecutive posts in this forum.

LOL am I the only one that thinks this is funny?

Please tell me that you understand the direction I was going with this as I don't think it was all that hidden?

 

[crash712us]

What kind proof do you want? I am sure you don't want. We will tune car to 450hp and we told you so as proof. LMS has extended many invitations to there shop to offer proof to what they claim. And I am sure they will welcome anyone to come pay them a visit. I've been there I've seen the failures. And if they tell me that they are seeing failures in 450whp range. That proof enough for me, I can't afford to buy a engine right now.


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[southtxSHO]

IMO if owner and LMS agreed to tune car around the range that is stated then why was this thread even made by OP. Just saying .

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[panther427]

Well crash I'm just asking what they are basing 400 on. Not "Proof " is it because they have seen more blown motors??  OK cool that's a good reason to wamt to be safe and warn customers.  It's all mostly guidelines anyways..  every motor is different. Lol. And I can't afford a new motor either.

 

[JimiJak]

What kind proof do you want? I am sure you don't want. We will tune car to 450hp and we told you so as proof. LMS has extended many invitations to there shop to offer proof to what they claim. And I am sure they will welcome anyone to come pay them a visit. I've been there I've seen the failures. And if they tell me that they are seeing failures in 450whp range. That proof enough for me, I can't afford to buy a engine right now.

I'm glad that's proof enough for you...but you have a history with LMS...and you have trust. To me, LMS is just another vendor...just like ALL the rest of the vendors on this site. Maybe it's my Sales background that makes me leery of any claim made by the same people that are trying to sell me the "solution", but if someone wants to tell me they're seeing routine failures in multiple engines and the common failure point is "X", it doesn't seem that difficult to me to take some pictures, or provide a detailed explanation of how you reached your conclusion scientifically.

It's just like in Algebra class. Just coming up with the answer isn't good enough. They've already done all the work...they just have to show it. That's all.

When Tracy from Rx first came around and he was making claims that not having a catch can, or fixing the PCV system was going to lead to intake valve coking, a CAC full of sludge, and possible vapor lock; it was just fine for everyone to ask him why he thought that...and he was happy to provide the info. But because of the tuner wars we've had here in the past, when someone asks LMS how their theory came to fruition, it's sacrilege.

 

[explorergotoluvit]

What kind proof do you want? I am sure you don't want. We will tune car to 450hp and we told you so as proof. LMS has extended many invitations to there shop to offer proof to what they claim. And I am sure they will welcome anyone to come pay them a visit. I've been there I've seen the failures. And if they tell me that they are seeing failures in 450whp range. That proof enough for me, I can't afford to buy a engine right now.


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I don't have the money to fly out there. pay for me to and I would be glade to go talk with them. I would love to learn. That's why people want some sort of something to go along with what they say.Y do we have to go there to understand what they post I serious have the hardest time understanding it I have like there stuff so far that Im using and it run perfact but not giving info with what they post about is strange. Like on there post about the engine builds what is going wrong why are they blowing around 450 whp would you want to know?

 

[ShoBoat]

http://www.ecoboostownerforums.com/forum/ecoboost-taurus-sho-mks-forum/ecoboost-sho-mks-general-discussion/53822-ecoboost-stock-rod-and-piston-durability

Here is a write up with pics. Maybe some proof for you guys?

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[JimiJak]

http://www.ecoboostownerforums.com/forum/ecoboost-taurus-sho-mks-forum/ecoboost-sho-mks-general-discussion/53822-ecoboost-stock-rod-and-piston-durability

Here is a write up with pics. Maybe some proof for you guys?

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From LMS on that thread:
We are rebuilding several engines from different shops (No, we can't disclose who they are. And, we will not, to prevent a flame on any other shop.) across the country at the present time. A couple of these engines made over 450 WHP. One of the engines has no signs of detonation (rings, bearings and top of piston) and has a broken rod which in our opinion shows the power limit of the parts. Is it exact? No. But it's a great indication. When we see signs of melted pistons and heavy detonation (stuck rings, clear signs of detonation on top of piston) then the power limit doesn't come in to play. But the pics of the piston / rod we showed were a power limit problem.
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ShoBoat, those pics are a great step in the right direction, but when you read their post from above it sounds more like these are their findings from ONE engine...not a trend of 450+ EcoBoosts.
We all know the EB engine has had a hx of stretching / snapping con rods, and a few have been documented and replaced here on this forum; no matter if they're stock or high HP...but finding another busted con rod doesn't necessarily mean there's a power problem.
I'm sure LMS has put more work into it than this one motor...I just want to know the details of what they've found.

A similar thread was posted by LMS on this forum today too. The pics it featured were centered on the new rods and pistons and less on the failures though. VIEW IT HERE

 

[4DRHTRD]

I've talked to Steven he was disappointed with his numbers, I'll help him any way I can to achieve his goals

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