802SHO said:
StealBlueSho said:
bpd1151 said:
WOW BJ! Seems like you're quite excited about this newest tune release from LMS.
That says a lot given you've worked with quite a few tuners, and have been objective in your reviews of each/all of them.
So in other words, you're basically saying that this latest tune offering from LMS is perfect in every possible way, and that there are parameters LMS has tweaked that other tuning competitors haven't quite figured out yet?
Is that a fair question?
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Yes, I am VERY excited about this latest tune from LMS. Cody messaged me saying him, Anthony, and their "head tuner" stayed late to put this together for me. And the results in the datalog as well as the seat of the pants feel are really really impressive.
Yes, I have bounced around on the tuning front.. Unleashed, AJPTurbo, BCB, Gearhead, and Livernois between my 2010 and 2016 SHO. I have ALWAYS been impressed with how SMOOTH the LMS tune runs and how clean the datalogs look. I may have been at points underwhelmed with the load I see in the datalogs but have never been disappointed in the ET with LMS but more importantly the consistency in their ET/MPH. Glory runs will get respect from a lot... but dialing in and running a low time consistently wins respect AND money.
I will post logs later but a few examples of things that really stand out are..
1: Timing advance on LMS is SMOOTH... I have YET to see another tuner get spark v2 to follow spark.. silky smooth.. people who datalog know what I am talking about..
2: Boost.. when LMS commands boost its not for the mid range of RPMS.. they command it all the way through redline which is impressive. A tuner may say they command 15psi but they taper off hard at the topend.. LMS holds its all the way to shift..
3: cam positioning..if you look at the exhaust and intake cam position it is very different than any other tune.
Based on my various track visits... and I have been talking to BamSHO, BPD1151, and various others.. I am still baffled at how a tune that demands much less load runs just as fast as tune that call for 3-4 psi and more timing(much more load).. I have posted on the forums asking about it...
Needless to say again... Livernois Engineering has shown over and over again through the various tuners that they are able to get the most of this platform. I ran the same times with a tune that pushed 1.65 average load through third gear from one tuner as a tune from LMS that only pushed 1.52 average through third gear...
And I am not just kissing their booty as anyone can attest.. I am the first one to call them out on when I believe they are wrong or misguiding, and with data not just opinion. I try to be impartial in all reviews as it has shown to be valuable to new people joining the forums (You're welcome Brad for the business
).
All that being said.. THIS LATEST E30 TUNE FROM LME IS THE BEST TUNE I HAVE RECIEVED.
This may be all fine and good.....certainly sounds it. BUT is it necessary? I think we all know the answer to that and no its not by a long shot. How do I know this? Well hmmm bc BPD is about to install one or two (now) not previously...who is BPD? The fastest ecoboost SHO in the world. Built motor, custom Meth set up with two nozzles, upgraded ATP turbos. No upgraded fuel pump to speak of. Hes reported nothing but smoooooth sailing. With such a high amount of power hes putting down...interesting no issues reported with his set up. Does the dual nozzle meth set up help.....Pppprobably. If one were to have fuel pressure issues I would like to assume BPD would have all of them. Based on that I am inclined to believe it is not necessary. So I guess a better all around statement would be...or question.....does it help? Sure...why not? But its not necessary ...clearly with a trap speed of 119 @11.54 with No E30 and no upgraded fuel pump. At the price for this undoubtedly nice fuel pump....this would be near the very end of my build....sort of like the end of Mikes build. BPD you unfortunately are the ruler used to determine how necessary or unnecessary this upgrade is. The proof is in the pudding
Now its my understanding...and I could be wrong...but if I was going to go E85 then I think the upgraded fuel pump..and to make matters worse theres two to choose from
..then this would be a necessity.
SBS is it true that you've recieved tunes from Livernois and GearHead for your E30 W/upgraded fuel pump? The latest being the second rendition from Livernois? This may be the best tune you've recieved for your set up...currently but you make it sound as though its the best you've recieved period. Hands down the best. Is that what you meant? Not every tuner you've previously used has made a tune for you. Youre comparing Livernois to GearHead only for E30 and uograded fuel pump and Livernois got two chances. And between the first Livernois and GearHead, GearHead was faster which resulted in your fastwst quarter mile to date. Didn't want people to think Livernois beat out everyone else who tuned your cars previously. To be fair you should get another tune from GearHead and do a comparison at the track.
Couple things here...
I may have come across a bit strong in my post. I want to re-iterate that AJPTurbo was one of the only tuners besides LMS to get my 2010 to run correctly. My FASTEST ET/MPH to date is still the meth tune that AJPTurbo put together for my 2010. Brad spent a lot of hours with me working back and forth on getting things ironed out. I have yet to set a PB with my 2016.
Is the HPFP necessary? You are correct in that its not needed nor is it a requirement for running E30. That being said, I am NOT going to run meth on this car like I did on my 2010. I wanted to go in a different direction and after talking with LMS several times decided to go with the HPFP through them. The pump allows me to run an aggressive E30 tune all year round without worrying about fuel pressure. Some people are OK with fuel pressure drops, its one of those "how comfortable are you with not having optimal pressure all the time". For me, personally, I want a set and forget setup..I have been saying this since Day 1 with this car. I don't want to have to be switching tunes when it gets cold and my FRP can't keep up. I spoke with Jordan who run's 11's on Brads E30 tune with the stock HPFP, he is currently or already has a basic 93 tune as he is seeing fuel pressure issues with the extreme cold. Thats not something I want deal with, so I am not.
FWIW: Meth is fantastic, and BPD1151 has gotten very far on just meth with stock fueling. But its far from perfect and really serves three purposes with our car. A: Alleviate the stock fuel system so you don't loose pressure. B: Clean the intake valves C: Cool the charge. However its not a drop in system.. read through the posts.. lots of people struggle with getting meth setup correctly.. and then getting tuned for it. I loved my meth setup, just not willing to do it again at this point.
It is my choice who I decide to tune with, I ran the gamut with my 2010, and decided after grenading the motor that I wasn't going to be a guinea pig for tuners on my 2016. I originally decided to stick with LMS as their tunes have a great track record, and I was fairly happy with the power output on my 2010 from them, not ecstatic but happy. I ordered the HPFP since that was something I always wanted even before it was released and loaded up the LMS tunes for the HPFP, however was disappointed when I noticed that the rail pressure wasn't changed and demanded was still at stock levels.. I asked LMS about this and received a pretty null answer.
On Facebook Matt reached out to me to see if he could take a shot at tuning the LMS pump and get more out of it. I sat on that offer for well over a month before deciding to give it a try as I highly respect Matt. And true to his abilities he was able to get more pressure out of the pump than LMS did which allowed him to run a higher load on my car thus more power. But still has issues such as short shifting from second to third, issues with the throttle not responding correctly at the higher loads, etc.. Again, Im not looking to be a guinea pig on my 2016.. I like GH's tune, paid for them, and Matt is a fantastic guy and I recommend him as much as I recommend LMS. His auto octane tune is very well put together.
The SCT platform in my opinion is really good, however, there have ALWAYS been idiosyncrasies in the tunes I have run. Not matter who tunes with it on my 2010 or my 2016 there have always been little issues. I have never had those problems with LMS software. Thats not a knock at the tuners, but more of an observation with SCT based tunes.
You say Livernois got two chances? You would be correct, I have TWO E30 tunes from Livernois Motorsports... I have SEVEN E30 tunes from Gearhead.. and I am sure if I asked Matt today there is another update.. last time I talked to him he said he was on revision 68 of E30 tune. So in all honesty, GH has had more shots than Livernois Engineering.
Is this latest tune from LMS the best tune I have received to date including my 2010 and 2016? Like best tune EVER? Bar none? I would venture to say yes for many reasons.
1: The day to day driving on this tune is top notch..part throttle response is way better than their V11 tune and shifting is spot on..
2: The data im pulling from the ECU is SMOOTH... fuel pressure, boost, spark, fuel trims, wastegate, etc.. everything is really well put together
3: The seat of pants feel tells me that this is probably the fastest tune I have received from anyone. Of course this will need to be validated at the track, but as of now, it FEELS FAST.
4: LME has a FANTASTIC record of only providing SAFE tunes. If they are willing to put their name behind this one and tell me over the phone its as safe as their previous tunes, then that to me is a HUGE plus.
5: There is no guessing in this tune, LME has been tuning these cars for years, so there is no "Let see if this works" in the tune. I appreciate that immensely.
I can go into more details but I believe my point has been made.
