LS Swap into 2010 SHO

[ShoBoat]

Weird, I'm not sure why anyone would want to do stuff a LS into a SHO.... The 3.5TT is what makes the SHO special. I loved my SHO and if it didn't have as many miles on it I wouldn't have traded it in yet. With the numbers that some have on built 3.5TTs there is no point to it. I drive a CTSV now and it is a fun car, but a completely different animal. Lol all the LS hate tho.


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[SHOdded]

I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.  They stuff them into every "performance" version of their vehicles.

 

[ajpturbo]

I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.

I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code

 

[SHOdded]

LOL

 

[dubcitySHO]

I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code

Preach

 

[68_GT]

if PTU and trans upgrades were available I would have got the ATP turbos and built engine when my stock engine blew up. So I put in a new Ford longblock and EB Performance billet wheels in my stock turbos. I'll put the other money into my 68 Mustang.

 

[J-Will]

if PTU and trans upgrades were available I would have got the ATP turbos and built engine when my stock engine blew up. So I put in a new Ford longblock and EB Performance billet wheels in my stock turbos. I'll put the other money into my 68 Mustang.

That was my point. If LMS was really willing and ready, I think it would have been done. They could capture more engine sales with supporting drivetrain upgrades available.

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[SHOdded]

The market is just so SMALL compared to mustangs, f150s, corvettes, etc ...  How many people are willing to put money upfront?  That's what it takes for a viable business to make a decision, because at the end of the day, LME is a business.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

So I called LME on Monday... after having a pleasant conversation with Clay it’s been crickets. As SHOdded eluded too I don’t believe the market is big enough for a group like LME is invest the time even if someone was paying... maybe 1 or 2 sales after that? Probably not enough to recoup the engineering hours...

In any event... NOVA Speed Shop got back to me... they have a couple options they want to discuss... one involves a LS Swap and the other involves swapping out the tranny/PTU/RDU but keeping the 3.5TT power plant...

Gonna stop by Thursday or Friday of this week time permitting to see what their plans are and how much it’s going to cost....

 

[68_GT]

So I called LME on Monday... after having a pleasant conversation with Clay it’s been crickets. As SHOdded eluded too I don’t believe the market is big enough for a group like LME is invest the time even if someone was paying... maybe 1 or 2 sales after that? Probably not enough to recoup the engineering hours...

In any event... NOVA Speed Shop got back to me... they have a couple options they want to discuss... one involves a LS Swap and the other involves swapping out the tranny/PTU/RDU but keeping the 3.5TT power plant...

Gonna stop by Thursday or Friday of this week time permitting to see what their plans are and how much it’s going to cost....

convert to RWD and use the F150 trans ??

 

[SHOdded]

I could see a drivetrain swap as being a big step forward, be it RWD, or RWD biased AWD.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

I will update after talking with the group over there... I am very curious myself...

This place from what I understand loves doing custom one off stuff... so we will see...

 

[SilvererSHO]

I think tearing out the PTU, driveshaft, rear differential and powering the rear wheels with electric motors would be a way to get an SHO into the 10's.  The car would tip the scales a couple of hundrend lbs. heavier though.  It may sound silly, but it's amazing what some are doing with electric power now.  Or, the F-150 set-up/RWD conversion sounds cool too.  Screw the idea of putting a LS of any incarnation into a SHO. :curse:

 

[DerricksSho]

I think tearing out the PTU, driveshaft, rear differential and powering the rear wheels with electric motors would be a way to get an SHO into the 10's.  The car would tip the scales a couple of hundrend lbs. heavier though.  It may sound silly, but it's amazing what some are doing with electric power now.  Or, the F-150 set-up/RWD conversion sounds cool too.  Screw the idea of putting a LS of any incarnation into a SHO. :curse:

This would be awesome and would love to hear where to start the research and cost? Probably to deep for my pockets but would be very cool and is where all the super car are heading if not already there.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

Just got back from a really good conversation with NoVA Speed Shop... The LS conversion is out of the picture.. $20K in parts alone and no real good answer on how to mount a rear-end that can handle the power I want. Rough estimate after labor/fab is around $40K-45K. I would also have to have switches for any accessory I wanted to keep.. heated seats etc... since they would need to pull the entire wiring harness and canbus out. So thats a non-starter.. When I spoke to them over the phone I mentioned that it would better to get shell of a taurus IMHO.. they agreed with that today.

As far as the AWD system, they said it would require reverse engineering the 6F55/PTU/RDU setup and working it over. They would need to essentially blow it up, figure out where the weak links are, and rebuild with custom parts. Which could take a year or more to complete and it would require an open ended checkbook. Also there really isn't anything on the market they can swap it with to keep the AWD functionality either domestic or foreign that would be worth the money/time to figure it out either.

He also said it would be feasible and cheaper by far to pick up an F150 3.5TT and convert the SHO to a RWD setup but even then the long pole in the setup is going to be mating the Taurus to a beefy enough rear-end and more importantly, fabricating the back of the Taurus to hold it in given the amount of power I am looking to put down.

Disappointing news but what I expected to hear more or less.  I get the feeling LMS would be a similar conversation.

 

[ShoBoat]

I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.

I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code

I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV.


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[ajpturbo]

I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.

I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code

I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV.


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Eh ho hum ...you had to mention the low volume specialty engine from generic motors which a far cry from your run of the mill LS variant....even in LSA form which has forced induction it doesn’t even make 100hp/liter

If it doesn’t make 100hp/liter you can keep it especially when boosted its just a failed engineering project

But I’d drive it lol

 

[ShoBoat]

I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.

I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code

I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV.


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Eh ho hum ...you had to mention the low volume specialty engine from generic motors which a far cry from your run of the mill LS variant....even in LSA form which has forced induction it doesn’t even make 100hp/liter

If it doesn’t make 100hp/liter you can keep it especially when boosted its just a failed engineering project

But I’d drive it lol

Exactly, one could also argue that 100hp/l is nothing compared to what Tesla puts out in their EVs. But for the time being I'd rather burn stuff and sound good while doing it.


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[SHOdded]

Hey if Mike (EcoPowerParts) likes the V, who am I to argue?  LOL!  Tho his V is beyond ridiculous.

 

[bpd1151]

Mike B's V is pretty insane.

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