MDesign Intake review-bigmoneycloser

[jmr061]

I can't beat that.


Jason
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[Josephm]

Expensive paper weight

 

[jmr061]

I was just doing some checking and there are different part numbers for the airaid for the taurus versus the explorer (both with the ecoboost). I was hoping I could included the explorer group to find mine a new home but guess not.


Jason
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[bigmoneycloser]

I was just doing some checking and there are different part numbers for the airaid for the taurus versus the explorer (both with the ecoboost). I was hoping I could included the explorer group to find mine a new home but guess not.


Jason
www.fordpimods.com

Hmm
When I called LMS they said it was same part number..


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[Spartn27]

They should be the same part, the MDesign intake BMC has installed is the same one I have installed on my MKS and another member has installed on his Taurus SHO, so it's safe to say the mounting points are all identical.

 

[J-Will]

For the sake of consistency, the dyno should have been performed the same way for each intake.  However, I think that because of the positioning of the scoop, the impact on the intake itself was negligible.  The only thing that would have changed is heat dissipation around the engine itself.  My thought is that for one pull, this did not impact the results either.  If this was the 3rd pull, in a serious of back to backs, then I'd argue otherwise.  I like what I see here!

I think a stock car is still needed in order to provide a better picture.  The gain here could be attributed to two things:
We know that the Air Raid is worse than stock, so some of the gain seen with this intake could be simply bringing the power level back up to stock then on top of that some from improved efficiency.  15 is a lot!  But I think some of that is a testament to the previous intake's (poor) performance.
Breathing mods compliment each other.  BigMoney had exhale mods already done.  In my mind, helping the car breathe in will certainly compound gains from exhaust mods as well.

Anyway, I would certainly chalk this up as a win for MDesign.  My expectation was "0 gain over stock is a win, anything less is on par with current aftermarket offerings".  The only question is: what are the gains over stock?  I think it is clear that there are some, we just dont have a quantitative figure to show. 

 

[J-Will]

bigmoney, thanks for stepping up and testing the intake!

spartn, thanks for investing the time and money in building a new offering.  On top of that, thanks for building one that actually performs well and looks great!

 

[bigmoneycloser]

bigmoney, thanks for stepping up and testing the intake!

spartn, thanks for investing the time and money in building a new offering.  On top of that, thanks for building one that actually performs well and looks great!

Totally agree.
Looks alone are worth it.
I do think the DP's and catback help which is nice to know they compliment each other.
Hopefully someone fully stock could run a dyno just to see what happens...


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[cror1]

About 2 months ago I ended up picking up a k&n drop in filter. I may just stick with a stock box and possibly use the heat wrap around the box. Either way, I'll wait until spring to see what direction I'm going with.

 

[navbtcret]

Mine arrived today, 20 minutes later it is on the car. Thank you Ahmed for a great looking CAI and I am hoping you will do a run of the engine cover. I would love one to match the intake.

 

[gad]

Or buy this cold air?

 

[bigmoneycloser]

Or buy this cold air?

What is your question?
Sorry


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[gad]

I'd like to buy this CAI

 

[bigmoneycloser]

ok
here are the dyno stats. Shop was having issues with their software and had to get Mustang involved in order to get the before and after.


Air Raid intake:
MDesign Intake:

 

[bigmoneycloser]

Hope this helps everyone.



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[SHOdded]

The gains are there!  Would like to see graphs through the rev range when they can get them to you, though.

 

[bigmoneycloser]

Unfortunately,
The shop had a major software issue and lost all their files. Because mine were the last runs done they were able to recover these. I will ask him if he is able to get the graphs as well, but I think this was the only files they were able to recover.
Let me know if you have any other questions?


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[Spartn27]

One thing we can tell from the info we did recover (along with 10.4 whp & 16.2 wtq gains) is that while the horsepower curve stayed relatively close the torque power is coming on at 2600RPM vs. 5100RPM, which is all the power you can feel down low due to the restriction-free, linear design of the intake.

Plan is to have more intakes out there in the wild before the year end, that way we can get more testing done with the help of other members.

 

[J-Will]

Since the dyno had software issues, can we trust the numbers?  The torque number seems very odd, over +20 actual (~16 seen at the wheels) with a significant difference in RPM.  This is a a massive gain from 'only an intake'.  Even considering what I stated before with symbiotic exhaust mods, the gains still seem high.  I want to believe, but the skeptical side of me makes me question the shop's software failure. 

 

[Spartn27]

Since the dyno had software issues, can we trust the numbers?  The torque number seems very odd, over +20 actual (~16 seen at the wheels) with a significant difference in RPM.  This is a a massive gain from 'only an intake'.  Even considering what I stated before with symbiotic exhaust mods, the gains still seem high.  I want to believe, but the skeptical side of me makes me question the shop's software failure.

Considering the mods BMC has done to his vehicle and the design of the intake, the gains seem on the upper end of the scale but correct. There was a issue with opening the files not the creation of the files and the shop has been working with Mustang over the last couple days to resolve this, so no worries. The fact that our vehicles are turbocharged also benefits us much more when using a properly designed intake over a NA engine, due to the help of our twins.

This intake has had 5 redesigns, from dual complete piping to each turbo with dual filters to added intake scoops to bring in fresh air, and has been in development for over 7 months. In short, a lot of thought went into the design of the intake such as the flow path and dynamics of the air flow, and keeping temperatures down to OEM levels as well.