MDesign vs. Windstorm

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BoostedSHO

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Finally got my tuner and tunes from Livernois yesterday. I installed the 93 3-bar v10 tune. In the email from Anthony he mentioned "We have also found the cold air intake you have to lose some power when compared to our stage 1 package with the windstorm cold air." I'm using the updated MDesign CAI the "lined with 3M™ heat reflection lining on the interior of the carbon fiber heat shield to further prevent heatsoak and a newer, larger high-flow inner air filter for even more power." You guys think there is some truth behind what Anthony said? I'm thinking if there is some truth behind it, it is probably a negligible amount of power loss or might be referring to the older version of the MDesign with the smaller filter
 
Hard to say which version of the MDesign CAI he was referring to, but regardless, the differences, if any, will only be relevant at high boost, high rpm.  If you want to change anything, change the downpipes and clear the bottleneck to better power.
 
Unless there is a dyno with said claim I would take it with a grain of salt.

Mdesign is the best looking of the bunch IMHO and any gains are going to be negligible in a 4500LB car.

 
Is the thought process that LMS bought an MDesign intake, and then tested it?  I give LMS all the credit, they deserve it; but I'm skeptical.
 
Really didn't think it would make much of a difference. Was just curious if any of you guys had any insight about this. Next up on my list are PPE catted downpipes and Magnaflow cat-back
 
BoostedSHO said:
Finally got my tuner and tunes from Livernois yesterday. I installed the 93 3-bar v10 tune. In the email from Anthony he mentioned "We have also found the cold air intake you have to lose some power when compared to our stage 1 package with the windstorm cold air." I'm using the updated MDesign CAI the "lined with 3M™ heat reflection lining on the interior of the carbon fiber heat shield to further prevent heatsoak and a newer, larger high-flow inner air filter for even more power." You guys think there is some truth behind what Anthony said? I'm thinking if there is some truth behind it, it is probably a negligible amount of power loss or might be referring to the older version of the MDesign with the smaller filter
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We have actually tested the other brand against our Windstorm here on the AWD chassis dyno awhile back.  We have posted the results showing this as well on more than one occasion.  Please see the links below.

http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?posts/1427025/
http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/cold-air-intake-really-worth-it.131911/#post-1448299
http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/cold-air-intake-really-worth-it.131911/page-3#post-1450476

Anthony @ LMS
 
Any back to back tests on the Windstorm/Airaid at the track vs stock intake? Myself and others lost .2 and 2MPH with that intake.
Love to see testing like I did, hot lapping with stock intake then switch to Windstorm/Airaid then back. I did it 3 times and each time saw .2 and 2MPH loss with the aftermarket intake on a hot car.

 
EcoPowerParts said:
Any back to back tests on the Windstorm/Airaid at the track vs stock intake? Myself and others lost .2 and 2MPH with that intake.
Love to see testing like I did, hot lapping with stock intake then switch to Windstorm/Airaid then back. I did it 3 times and each time saw .2 and 2MPH loss with the aftermarket intake on a hot car.
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Actually there were consecutive testing that was done, and it was actually done by a forum member not us. If you read through those threads you will see that the stock, MDesign and Windstorm were all tested on the same car, same track and same day. The Windstorm has been shown to be the best option on the dyno, and proven to be quicker in the 1/4 on the same vehicle, same day and same track!

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Hey Anthony, have you tested yours against the K&N? Mere curiosity as I figure its probably the worst of the bunch but I own one and am curious. I'd be willing to ship it to you to test.
 
SHOdded said:
I think he may be referring  to Rich's track comparison, one of the 3 links above

http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?posts/1427025/
http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/cold-air-intake-really-worth-it.131911/#post-1448299
http://www.shoforum.com/index.php?threads/cold-air-intake-really-worth-it.131911/page-3#post-1450476
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I am not going to make any comment regarding the CAI's on this platform as I do not have any direct knowledge.  I will only share some drag racing knowledge...

1. A very slight change in weather condition between runs could have a greater impact on the times than any of the intake changes.  I would guess that the temperature was dropping as it became later.
2. Using a hp/ET calculator (I realize they are for fun only and provide limited data) shows that the difference in hp from the best pass to the worst was a 2.5 hp difference.
3. Even at our cars, shall we say portly, race weight, a 10-12 hp increase will net a .1 or so drop in ET.

I keep editing to add, but everyone should get the idea.  I should also note that mph is more indicative of hp than ET.  However, wheel spin and other factors play a roll in the mph as well.  Note that the fastest pass had the worst 60' time.  Makes me wonder if he had more wheel spin which can equate to a higher mph.

Overall, I applaud the OP for providing the data and going through the work to swap intakes at the track.  That is really awesome.  It's just too bad that he wasn't able to get 3 or so passes on each set up to get an average.

In no way am I saying which intake is best or whether one should buy an intake.  Only providing some basic info.
 
If anything the MD breathes better in the upper range pulling in more air. It was down about .5mph at the 1000ft mark and end up only being down .2 mph
 
BoostedSHO said:
Finally got my tuner and tunes from Livernois yesterday. I installed the 93 3-bar v10 tune. In the email from Anthony he mentioned "We have also found the cold air intake you have to lose some power when compared to our stage 1 package with the windstorm cold air." I'm using the updated MDesign CAI the "lined with 3M™ heat reflection lining on the interior of the carbon fiber heat shield to further prevent heatsoak and a newer, larger high-flow inner air filter for even more power." You guys think there is some truth behind what Anthony said? I'm thinking if there is some truth behind it, it is probably a negligible amount of power loss or might be referring to the older version of the MDesign with the smaller filter
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Well I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that someone who wants to sell you something is badmouthing something he has for sale that you bought from another vendor.
 
I was not trying to badmouth anyone's products in any way, just simply answered his questions with facts.  Our customer had simply asked me for estimated power numbers his car should be making with the current mods and our tuning.  I told him what another SHO with a similar combination of mods and tuning would gain here on the dyno and that with the intake he was using it has proven to make less power on the dyno.  He asked for the facts and I gave him my personal opinion of estimated power gains using our combo. 

This was the correct thing to do in my opinion so that the customer was aware of the results we've documented in the past.  Many clients end up putting their vehicle's on the dyno to see how much power they make, and we always prefer to be honest with them about how there combos compare when asked. 

 
I just want to make it clear that in no way do I feel Livernois was badmouthing another product or trying to shame me into buying something from them. I simply asked a question and Anthony answered that question with that data that he had. Thanks again for all the help Anthony and the quick responses to the emails   
 
I'm going to agree with BoostedSHO.

Boosted SHO engaged LME on the topic.

Livernois is a for profit business so it's natural for Anthony to support the products/packages that they sell.

"We have also found the cold air intake you have to lose some power when compared to our stage 1 package with the windstorm cold air."

He put up a dyno slip that supports his contention, nothing disingenuous IMO.


 
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