My New 2015 Chevy SS **Boo-Hissss**

[ZSHO]

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho

Mike dont mind AJ,he just likes to stir the pot sometimes for entertainment purposes but he's a good dude IMO.  Z   

 

[ajpturbo]

Even after what i just said, believe it or not i kinda like the ss and the idea of a big sedan with a big motor and a stick...but i dont want to be without my awd with 4 snow tires in the winter....its become a guilty pleasure of mine seeing irresponsible retards stuck in ditches when they choose to not properly equip their vehicles for the climate they live in and believe its the responsibility of the government to steal my earnings to clear streets for those whose choose to drive on 50% worn all seasons in winter in PA

 

[SHO-Time]

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho

The GTO was simply replaced by the GXP after the design change. The G8 GXPs are still holding their value very well. There were 3,100 SS sedans built in 2015. 273 of those were "Perfect Blue" which was a one year run color. Only 44 of the 273 were manual...large manual sport sedans nowadays are not very common. The car is a little unique despite your "poopy toilet paper" analogy.

 

[14SHOCAR]

Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.

 

[SHO-Time]

Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.

Soon my friend...very soon. I'm going to schedule a dyno-tune for late March / Early April.

 

[14 TUX BL]

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

 

[ajpturbo]

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

 

[14 TUX BL]

Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...

1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).

2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.

3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.

Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.

The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse

 

[ajpturbo]

Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...

1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).

2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.

3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.

Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.

The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse

Man, the vettes put up good lap times for not being able to put the power to the ground

Have you seen the traction circles?...the tire can only do so much...the more you use for propulsion the less traction is left for steering change

Rwd cars seem to reign at the top for nurburgring times .

Ive driven so many awd and rwd cars and get annoyed with the handling dynamics of the awd cars in the twisties....people i work with want to tell me and show me how fast their sti's and evo's are in the bends....im so hard into my cars that im not hitting the gas in the bends it wouldnt matter if i had 8wd....and as far as corner exit im just a little sideways but at a higher velocity ....i guess if your not comfortable being sideways and accelerating then go for awd

I guess all things being equal, same car same power plant ive always been faster in the rwd...the awd version of the same cars that ive had when compared to their rwd counterparts felt bulky, heavy, and slow due to the understeer and handling

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA

 

[Vortech347]

You guys have to remember the blanket term of AWD vs RWD isn't comparable.  There are so many types of AWD systems out there!!!  The SHO's AWD system isn't really anything to brag about nor was it designed for handling or lap times.  It has horrible under steer and TQ steer just like a FWD car.  The system is really more of a "oh crap wheels are spinning, I'll have the back help a little bit"  I look forward to auto crossing the SHO this year but its characteristics will be that of a FWD with a little more forward traction.  There's no transfer case, and the front wheels have full power all the time, only the rear wheels are controlled as "helpers"

This what I've experienced so far as someone that actually races open track/auto-x.

 

[ajpturbo]

You catch the price of that GTR?

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

You catch the price of that GTR?

Yup, here's the full comparo....with a 911 turbo added in.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-vs-2015-nissan-gt-r-nismo-2014-porsche-911-turbo-s-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-5

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

You guys have to remember the blanket term of AWD vs RWD isn't comparable.  There are so many types of AWD systems out there!!!  The SHO's AWD system isn't really anything to brag about nor was it designed for handling or lap times.  It has horrible under steer and TQ steer just like a FWD car.  The system is really more of a "oh crap wheels are spinning, I'll have the back help a little bit"  I look forward to auto crossing the SHO this year but its characteristics will be that of a FWD with a little more forward traction.  There's no transfer case, and the front wheels have full power all the time, only the rear wheels are controlled as "helpers"

This what I've experienced so far as someone that actually races open track/auto-x.

Maybe it will be better than you anticipate....

"In our lapping session I found the car surprisingly civilized, supple and quiet, despite its ability to turn in nicely and then drift in controlled, balanced fashion. The engine is blazingly fast down the straights and comes off the corners with hard-hitting torque (and makes a lovely sound while doing it), and the easily modulated brakes have no trouble catching the line drive to shortstop. For a big car, it bleeds off speed easily and impressively."

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/first-drives/reviews/a18234/2013-ford-taurus-sho-with-performance-package/

 

[14 TUX BL]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA

And there you go.

Professional race car driver Randi Pobst on driving the Z06:
"You've got to be on full high alert"
"it takes full focus all the time"
"the Nissan GTR is a lot more stable than the Corvette Z06 is"

As far as I'm concerned, this formally ends the debate on RWD vs 4WD/AWD performance cars.

And rather clearly at that. Time to move on to a new topic ...

 

[ajpturbo]

How can that RWD vette do better in the skidpad and slalom than those expensive awd cars?...rwd for handling and enjoyment and awd for bad weather and drag racing! Yes! Ajp wins again!

 

[ajpturbo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA

And there you go.

Professional race car driver Randi Pobst on driving the Z06:
"You've got to be on full high alert"
"it takes full focus all the time"
"the Nissan GTR is a lot more stable than the Corvette Z06 is"

As far as I'm concerned, this formally ends the debate on RWD vs 4WD/AWD performance cars.

And rather clearly at that. Time to move on to a new topic ...

Another topic, really lol....wonder how it would end if you threw 40 grand of resources at the vette?...wait i know the answer....gtr loses lol

 

[SHO-Time]

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

The "debate" was in regards to winter driving not performance. I did try throwing the SHO into some corners a few times...the result was laughable at best.

In regards to drag race performance, yes AWD on the street should and will win the majority of the time. On a drag strip, the result will be much different as the AWD advantage is decreased significantly.

 

[Blackhawk]

I've always liked drag racing but unfortunately the SHO is kinda limited for this purpose with the fuel system and all.  I'm kinda surprised that even the fastest SHOs are still only cutting 1.7 60 fts.  I'm not sure what the secret is there, it's definitely not an HP issue.

Next sedan for me might be rwd.

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

The "debate" was in regards to winter driving not performance. I did try throwing the SHO into some corners a few times...the result was laughable at best.

In regards to drag race performance, yes AWD on the street should and will win the majority of the time. On a drag strip, the result will be much different as the AWD advantage is decreased significantly.

 

[Vortech347]

I've always liked drag racing but unfortunately the SHO is kinda limited for this purpose with the fuel system and all.  I'm kinda surprised that even the fastest SHOs are still only cutting 1.7 60 fts.  I'm not sure what the secret is there, it's definitely not an HP issue.

Next sedan for me might be rwd.

Its because power is wasted with front wheel spin and not very much gets sent to the back wheels.  They are helpers.