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Well, after my low voltage/Terrain Management System fault issue, I have yet another mod. If you have the Terrain Management System fault issue, you may want to take a glance of my thread.. https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,10964.0.html
For some reason, the rear pads fade quicker than the fronts..weird for a SUV, but that is Ford for you. Sooo, I pulled the trigger and purchased the PowerStop kit for the Sport. Just got her back from the shop. Bedded them in and no squealing..so all is good.
I will provide updates accordingly.. anyone else have any issues with these brakes??
For some reason, the rear pads fade quicker than the fronts..weird for a SUV, but that is Ford for you. Sooo, I pulled the trigger and purchased the PowerStop kit for the Sport. Just got her back from the shop. Bedded them in and no squealing..so all is good.
I will provide updates accordingly.. anyone else have any issues with these brakes??
I know the Interceptor brake pads are better than stock, but they still provide a fair amount of brake dust. My office's fleet were washed (at least) once a week to clean them up. Same for all of the different police vehicles we had..
I have always used ceramic pads to eliminate most of the dust, but it still exists, just depends on your budget and how much you want to clean..LOL.
I have always used ceramic pads to eliminate most of the dust, but it still exists, just depends on your budget and how much you want to clean..LOL.
Posted this on other forums and wanted to share it here as well...
Anyone notice anything different about EcoHell in this photo?
Ok.. what about these photos:
Working on a YouTube video showing the steps, and yes, there are other videos but those videos are showing the stock front clip where you cut it as opposed to purchasing the law enforcement front clips version.
I also am working on a video showing how to take apart the center dash where I installed the 4DTech Motion Unlock module, so I can use the key board while driving..
Anyone notice anything different about EcoHell in this photo?
Ok.. what about these photos:
Working on a YouTube video showing the steps, and yes, there are other videos but those videos are showing the stock front clip where you cut it as opposed to purchasing the law enforcement front clips version.
I also am working on a video showing how to take apart the center dash where I installed the 4DTech Motion Unlock module, so I can use the key board while driving..
What stripping did you use to cover everything up? This looks nice!EcoHell said:Posted this on other forums and wanted to share it here as well...
Anyone notice anything different about EcoHell in this photo?
Ok.. what about these photos:
Working on a YouTube video showing the steps, and yes, there are other videos but those videos are showing the stock front clip where you cut it as opposed to purchasing the law enforcement front clips version.
I also am working on a video showing how to take apart the center dash where I installed the 4DTech Motion Unlock module, so I can use the key board while driving..
xartic1 said:
Thanks for your interest and question. The molding I used is:
The main reason was the placement of the 3M tap on the underside. There are some molding that use two separate taping that is very thin and would not cover the bolt holes. I did not want to take the chance of any leaks, as it would come inside the vehicle and ruin the headliner. My experience is that the 3M tape used in Dawn's molding is spot on for my concern. Take note.. this is a very heavy molding product, so take your time placing it on about a foot at a time.
I will go over everything in my video coming shortly in YouTube and will post the link here.
Did you put bolts or anything back into the roof?EcoHell said:xartic1 said:
Thanks for your interest and question. The molding I used is:
The main reason was the placement of the 3M tap on the underside. There are some molding that use two separate taping that is very thin and would not cover the bolt holes. I did not want to take the chance of any leaks, as it would come inside the vehicle and ruin the headliner. My experience is that the 3M tape used in Dawn's molding is spot on for my concern. Take note.. this is a very heavy molding product, so take your time placing it on about a foot at a time.
I will go over everything in my video coming shortly in YouTube and will post the link here.
I wonder if a low profile socket head cap screw with a gasket backed washer would fit under that and it would prevent any water from entering inside.
xartic1 said:
You reuse the same bolts if you go my route for the front OEM Interceptor trim pieces. For the other holes you use the Set Screws. You can see from even using the Set Screws there will be some slight bumps. Those are not from the Set Screws, but from the actual bolt areas within the channel of the roof. That is why I stress to use adhesive and flatten it out as much as possible. As long as the molding doesn't bulge higher than the actual roof channel, and it does not allow water under the molding you are sound. Using other types of bolts may cause a higher bulge and/or may cause the 3M Tape to not make a level connection.
Best practice is to use what works. Keep in mind using Set Screws with adhesive sealant, PLUS having the molding with one piece of 3M tape (as opposed to two pieces of 3M Tape) you should not have any leaks to worry about.
I completed the DIY video on YouTube. It will be posted below this post.
I completed the YouTube DIY video on the roof rack/rail removal project. Click below..
https://youtu.be/mJpuzg3lxaA
https://youtu.be/mJpuzg3lxaA
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I special ordered a custom one for the next iteration of my SHO.EcoHell said:Well, I pulled the trigger and purchased and had installed a Singer High Output Alternator to handle all of my electronic needs in EcoHell. Anyone else install a High Output alternator in their Sport?
You get both pulleys and a keychain to boot...HA!
Waiting to get it, and other new upgrades assembled/installed.
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You know given all the BS Ecohell has given me this year, I was driving to my other residence on Long Island on 11/3/21 and out of nowhere the damn Wrench light comes back on. Then within seconds of that, the Check Engine light comes on, and both Stability Track lights (lower right of the cluster) come on. I immediately pull over and was able to park off the 4 lane road I was on.
Once I pulled over, the information center on the left of the cluster begins chiming and telling me Service AdvanceTrak, Hill Start Assist Not Available, See Owner's Manual, Pre-Collision System Fault, and All Terrain Management System Fault. I am fuming at this point.
I contact AAA for a tow. I tell them I am going to call Ford and see which dealer to bring my vehicle too - this is going to get good. I contact the nearest Ford Dealership, tell them my dilemma and they tell me they cannot see my vehicle until the middle of December. They state i should contact the Ford Dealership where I purchased EcoHell. I then contact that dealership. They state I cannot bring EcoHell there until November 22nd.
So here I am in limp mode, definitely not going to drive EcoHell, as 1) I never had this many lights come on before, 2) never before seen some of the messages being displayed and 3) during all of this I was shutting the engine off, opening and closing my door, then restarting EcoHell - within seconds of her starting there is a loud clunking noise coming underneath and the lights and messages began to come on.
What does Ford do? Sorry, your SOL, until weeks later. Luckily, my nephew owns a performance shop and happened to call me after I got off the phone with the 2nd Ford Dealership, just to say hi. I said your ears must be burning because I was just about to contact you. I tell him my predicament and though he is busy, he says tow EcoHell to his shop.
I re-contacted AAA and tell them the address of his shop. About 40 minutes later the tow truck arrives. I advise the driver that I don't want him driving the vehicle on the flatbed and use the winch. Then to top all of this BS off, the driver tells me (after he loads EcoHell on the flatbed) that company policy cannot have anyone in the tow vehicle due to Covid.
I then contact wifey who is not happy that she has to pick me up..messing up her schedule. Tow truck leaves. I walk across the 4 lane road to a 7-11 store and wait. She comes, I take her back home and use her car to go to the shop. Now at this point, I am not bitching as I am driving her 400 odometer mile, Prestige model 2021 Audi S5 Sportback..LOL.
Anyhoot, I get to the shop about 30 minutes later, and see that EcoHell is in a stall about to be lifted. My nephew is inside reading his god knows how much Snap-On scanner tool and is a little stunned that NO power train codes are shown. He thinks his scanner isn't working properly. I grab my INNOVA scanner I keep in EcoHell and scan her. I get no power train codes as well. We both receive P0107 or P0109 (cannot remember at this moment - as scanner is in EcoHell as I type), but it is a map sensor code.
I advise him that this all started with a voltage issue, so could we check the voltage readings for S&Gs. He reads the battery both off and on. On, EcoHell is reading 14.8 and 14.9 and never going any lower, so I am not losing any voltage.
He then goes onto his computer and starts reading a TSB to me..
"Some 2018-2019 Explorer/Flex/Taurus/MKT vehicles equipped with a 3.5L EcoBoost engine may exhibit an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL), powertrain malfunction (wrench) lamp, Service AdvanceTrac message, Hill Start Assist Not Available message, and/or lack of power with diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0107, P0108 and/or P0109 present. This may be due to a faulty manifold absolute pressure and temperature (MAPT) sensor. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to diagnose and replace the MAPT sensor."
This is Ford TSB #TSB 19-2183.
Bottomline, I have him order a new 3 bar MAP sensor. The next morning he receives it, installs it and wouldn't you know it, if fixed the damn problem.
Now imagine if I did not have a nephew owning his own performance shop. I am curious, besides the waiting period to get EcoHell into the service department at Ford, what Ford would have done... thoughts?
BTW, I drove EcoHell yesterday about a 100 miles and she drives like nothing ever happened. She has 47,xxx miles on her, mostly highway miles.
Once I pulled over, the information center on the left of the cluster begins chiming and telling me Service AdvanceTrak, Hill Start Assist Not Available, See Owner's Manual, Pre-Collision System Fault, and All Terrain Management System Fault. I am fuming at this point.
I contact AAA for a tow. I tell them I am going to call Ford and see which dealer to bring my vehicle too - this is going to get good. I contact the nearest Ford Dealership, tell them my dilemma and they tell me they cannot see my vehicle until the middle of December. They state i should contact the Ford Dealership where I purchased EcoHell. I then contact that dealership. They state I cannot bring EcoHell there until November 22nd.
So here I am in limp mode, definitely not going to drive EcoHell, as 1) I never had this many lights come on before, 2) never before seen some of the messages being displayed and 3) during all of this I was shutting the engine off, opening and closing my door, then restarting EcoHell - within seconds of her starting there is a loud clunking noise coming underneath and the lights and messages began to come on.
What does Ford do? Sorry, your SOL, until weeks later. Luckily, my nephew owns a performance shop and happened to call me after I got off the phone with the 2nd Ford Dealership, just to say hi. I said your ears must be burning because I was just about to contact you. I tell him my predicament and though he is busy, he says tow EcoHell to his shop.
I re-contacted AAA and tell them the address of his shop. About 40 minutes later the tow truck arrives. I advise the driver that I don't want him driving the vehicle on the flatbed and use the winch. Then to top all of this BS off, the driver tells me (after he loads EcoHell on the flatbed) that company policy cannot have anyone in the tow vehicle due to Covid.
I then contact wifey who is not happy that she has to pick me up..messing up her schedule. Tow truck leaves. I walk across the 4 lane road to a 7-11 store and wait. She comes, I take her back home and use her car to go to the shop. Now at this point, I am not bitching as I am driving her 400 odometer mile, Prestige model 2021 Audi S5 Sportback..LOL.
Anyhoot, I get to the shop about 30 minutes later, and see that EcoHell is in a stall about to be lifted. My nephew is inside reading his god knows how much Snap-On scanner tool and is a little stunned that NO power train codes are shown. He thinks his scanner isn't working properly. I grab my INNOVA scanner I keep in EcoHell and scan her. I get no power train codes as well. We both receive P0107 or P0109 (cannot remember at this moment - as scanner is in EcoHell as I type), but it is a map sensor code.
I advise him that this all started with a voltage issue, so could we check the voltage readings for S&Gs. He reads the battery both off and on. On, EcoHell is reading 14.8 and 14.9 and never going any lower, so I am not losing any voltage.
He then goes onto his computer and starts reading a TSB to me..
"Some 2018-2019 Explorer/Flex/Taurus/MKT vehicles equipped with a 3.5L EcoBoost engine may exhibit an illuminated malfunction indicator lamp (MIL), powertrain malfunction (wrench) lamp, Service AdvanceTrac message, Hill Start Assist Not Available message, and/or lack of power with diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0107, P0108 and/or P0109 present. This may be due to a faulty manifold absolute pressure and temperature (MAPT) sensor. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to diagnose and replace the MAPT sensor."
This is Ford TSB #TSB 19-2183.
Bottomline, I have him order a new 3 bar MAP sensor. The next morning he receives it, installs it and wouldn't you know it, if fixed the damn problem.
Now imagine if I did not have a nephew owning his own performance shop. I am curious, besides the waiting period to get EcoHell into the service department at Ford, what Ford would have done... thoughts?
BTW, I drove EcoHell yesterday about a 100 miles and she drives like nothing ever happened. She has 47,xxx miles on her, mostly highway miles.
TopherSho said:
You can say WTF and has to be more to it, but if there is a TSB describing what exactly occurred on EcoHell, this has to be happening with others. I never go online reading TSBs on my vehicles, but will definitely look for them when something goes wrong on my vehicles from this point forward.
There is a little more to my story, but again to have a TSB on this very issue, I cannot say that "the little more to my story" was the real reason/cause. It may have pushed my vehicle to have this happen quicker given the age and miles on EcoHell, when others have been going through this issue.. again to have an actual TSB on it...things that make you go hmmmm..
So my 'little more to the story" is this.. at 700 miles I began modding EcoHell and purchased the Power Stage 2+ Package (no longer being offered) from LMS. This included the tune, go fast part and changing the 2 bar MAP sensor with their 3 bar MAP sensor.
For some reason after the install of their package, I had to return to Ford (I cannot remember why), but it never happened. We believe one of the mechanics may have swapped the 3 bar MAP sensor back to the 2 bar MAP sensor in preparation to bring her back to stock. We say this because the part numbers on the other 2 bar MAP Sensor is the same on the one that was supposed to be a 3 bar MAP sensor.
Being I do not beat on EcoHell, the 2 bar MAP sensor was ok...that is ok until this year. So with the voltage issue causing my headache in Florida with the "wrench" light could have been co-contributed with this sensor, as well as the PC playing havoc.
Look at it this way...better to have a $85 sensor than the transmission or a module going bad.
Macgyver said:
I unfortunately agree with you.. I could see, "yeah, your transmission is bad and your modules are bad..blah blah blah.."
I know I get long winded in my write ups, but I would rather others know about something that could happen to your Explorer and have somewhat of a idea of what it could be..
EcoHell said:
If you had the wrong map sensor it wouldn't even idle correctly, as soon as you start it with wrong map sensor you will know it. It probably just went bad, there were quite a few failures even with the aftermarket ones a year or two ago. Glad you got it fixed cheaply tho, that's the most important part!