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Welcome to EBPF, KRW, sorry to hear about your Expedition 
The quickest way to more & reliable power is a tune, cost is about $500-600. Go with a reliable tuner such as Unleased or LME.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808
As far as warranty, do a little poking around to see who is tune friendly in your area. The only real hitch would be if the dealership updates the PCM, in which case you would have to have your tune updated by the tuner before loading back into the PCM. If you also have done the 3bar MAP upgrade, you would revert to stock tune and 2bar MAP before taking it in for servicing. You can leave instructions for the dealer to let you know BEFORE any PCM updates are performed, but best to have a tunefriendly dealer to start with.
The quickest way to more & reliable power is a tune, cost is about $500-600. Go with a reliable tuner such as Unleased or LME. http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808
As far as warranty, do a little poking around to see who is tune friendly in your area. The only real hitch would be if the dealership updates the PCM, in which case you would have to have your tune updated by the tuner before loading back into the PCM. If you also have done the 3bar MAP upgrade, you would revert to stock tune and 2bar MAP before taking it in for servicing. You can leave instructions for the dealer to let you know BEFORE any PCM updates are performed, but best to have a tunefriendly dealer to start with.
Welcome aboard KRW,post some pics of the new ride,like SHOdded said a tune will get you the best bang for your buck,honestly on your next oil change visit at the dealer,try bringing up the topic in regards to tuning the truck to your service advisor and take it from there,many dealers are tuner friendly like mine,try sticking with one dealership,preferably the one you purchased it from,good luck and any questions you may have please feel free to ask and again welcome. :WELCOME: :WELCOME:
Welcome!
No doubt tune is bang for the buck.
Here's a list posted by 4DR of power to be gained from the frequent mods... originally posted by him in Oct 2013. The prices have changed a bit. The HP are AWHP (about 25% over crankHP):
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1501.msg22455.html#msg22455
No doubt tune is bang for the buck.
Here's a list posted by 4DR of power to be gained from the frequent mods... originally posted by him in Oct 2013. The prices have changed a bit. The HP are AWHP (about 25% over crankHP):
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1501.msg22455.html#msg22455
What little bit of research I've done seems to lean towards increased exhaust size (cat-back) and a cold air airfilter. Has anyone actually tried this? Neither of these should effect the warranty but i'm not sure if there would be any HP increase. I think the stock exhaust pipe is around 2.25 inches in diameter and it would seem to me that with twin turbos that the engine could breath better with a 3 or3.5 inch exhaust. And if so, then more air in would have to help also.
Any thoughts on this???
Any thoughts on this???
KRW said:
KRW: I'll try to be brief, but I suffer from logorrhea, LOL.
Using my '13 SHO dyno testing was done with stock tune during development/fitment of PPE downpipes...multiple back to back pulls at Black Market Racing. (BTW 4DR prototyped these DPs and Hotpipes). Results: Catted posted about 12 AWHP increase and non-catted posted about 17 AWHP increase as compare to OEM DPs. Both PPE sets resulted in much earlier spooling of turbos (about 2100-2200 rpm stock DPs --> 1500-1600rpm with PPE DPS. This earlier spooling moved the entire power band down about 500-600 rpm without affecting top end power. Result is a noticeably quicker early acceleration (which I still love!). This can be increased by having any tune modified for the downpipes (I did). Both LME and Unleashed can do this as well as other tune adjustments for modifications. The trick with the DPs is smoother design with elimination of the cat flange and less convoluted shape which gets more laminar flow. You can see these changes in the post about this and install. It's here: http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2054.msg28591.html#msg28591
Call Ecopower Parts (in the vendor section) for pricing and options...
All currently produced downpipes are the same diameter as OEM exhaust. So not much can be gained mathematically by increasing diameters distal to this. There has even been some development of a single exhaust that is mathematically superior to OEM....
As far as larger diameter catback... rate of flow and laminar flow are also important to turbo function and exhaust temp dissipation. A bigger tube slows flow and may allow turbulence...effects? dunno. I am unaware of testing in our cars with Corsa Catback (or others) despite their flow claims. It is a beautiful exhaust. Stainless Works and LME are two other producers of cutbacks and DPs... Note that some degree of back pressure seems to be a good thing in the 3.5TT GDI engine as far as preventing turbo oil seal leaks.
As far as CAI, during the hotpipe dynos Mike, Jeremy, and I compared dynos of completely stock intake and filter with dynos of the entire filter removed and free intake of air into the 3.5" open end of the "saxophone" of the intake piping by completely removing all filter and intake piping in the comparison pulls. We found no dyno difference. This was with stock tune also. Again specific modification are readily available from LME or Unleashed and may affect this. I do not believe any CAI, certainly if it leaves the saxophone intact offers any HP increase. However, in real life drag racing several members have noted 0.1 sec increase in the 1/4 mile time of their cars with Airaid CAIs which they got back on the same day by reinstalling stock intake and filter. I am unaware of any other formal testing of CAI performance changes in our cars. Also, many folks have modified their Airaid to seal better on the hood ... not sure of tested changes if their are any. I am unaware of any testing using the K&N CAI.
I personally would avoid any CAI that could possibly draw any air from underhood.
All that said, there are other reasons people do the CAI and exhaust mods; eye candy and sound primarily. changing the exhaust note and hearing the turbos spool. I use an MDesign CAI, primarily for eye candy and because preliminary testing showed no power loss...and I didn't lose my 3.9-4.1 sec 0-60... Dyno testing should be accomplished in the next 2-3 weeks on the MDesign ...there are only 5 installed in the wild at the time of this writing with about 10-12 more shipping any day. Image below, CF, larger air intake,to start, turbo spooling heard, and it seems to stop the sooting of my tailpipes (no gas changes...all E10 winter gas pre and post). Finally, I can now check my transmission fluid without removing the CAI and have space for the future meth reservoir. Here's a pic...left click to enlarge:
Hopefully others will chime in also. Wishing you fun modding!
Well, I do believe you covered it all...... I appreciate all your input. i certainly not into it as much as you are and therefore rely on the ones that do all the research.
This is what I got from your reply; No real gains from larger exhaust and it could have detrimental effects, No real gains from CAI.
Still looking for HP gains. I would be happy with 15 to 20 HP more but it doesn't look like I can get there with a few external modifications.
Thank You BigMaC for your response.
This is what I got from your reply; No real gains from larger exhaust and it could have detrimental effects, No real gains from CAI.
Still looking for HP gains. I would be happy with 15 to 20 HP more but it doesn't look like I can get there with a few external modifications.
Thank You BigMaC for your response.
explorergotoluvit
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tune but may void your warranty but you can uninstall it if you have to take it in for some major problem
krw- weclome from st louis, bigmac is right cai/catback's sound a lot better but actual power increase not so sure definitely not what they clam but down pipes a different story. low end torque, although have never dynoed mine , but SOP tells you right up front she has more low end power.
Actually the cheapest and conservative way to add a few extra hp to your investment will be by just adding full synthetic oil like Amsoil,Redline,Royal purple,also overall it will give you better protection and fuel economy. http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/videos/horsepower-tv-tests-royal-purpl/
panther427
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Well the intake stuff on the pickup based full size suv should have useful intakes. Look at S&B http://www.sbfilters.com/index.php/gas-trucks/ford-29/11-14-f150-ecoboost-3-5l-cold-air-intake-75-5067.html
They don't list one for your new ride but the pickup guys seem to like them.
Also you should already have the 3 bar sensor. Assuming the motor is the same as the pickups.
They don't list one for your new ride but the pickup guys seem to like them.
Also you should already have the 3 bar sensor. Assuming the motor is the same as the pickups.
panther427
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Totally try the e85. Try about 25% mix. In the cars with out tunes you can run higher that 25% but it's a good place to start. That's about 4 gallons in a 20 gallon tank if your gas already has the base 10% oxygenated fuel.
14 kits in the wild now and 20 more will be going out (12 claimed already) in 2-3 weeks. Saw gains over the Air Raid and the next dyno should show gains over the K&N and stock as well, though in due time. There's more data about the intake and up-to-date info on our Facebook page: http://facebook.com/MDesignParts
panther427
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Review of the 2015 Expedition with EB:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-expedition-ecoboost-test-review
It does have the F150 engine, which opens it up to many a mod more than the transverse engined crowd.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-expedition-ecoboost-test-review
It does have the F150 engine, which opens it up to many a mod more than the transverse engined crowd.
