oil ingestion and tuning

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nickwalter4

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had quite the adventure this week.

Oh boy where do i start...  it's kinda long so i'll try to go readers digest style

1. I'm dumb and let my OCC over-fill.
2. out of town helped my wife drain it over the phone
3. began hearing ticking noises like cards in a bike wheel presumed cams.
4. wife gets code p0012 VCT solenoid bank 1 over-retarded (MIL illuminated)
5. check PTS to find there is a TSB for that code with a mil. the fix is...
6. UPDATED PCM calibration with IDS (returned to stock first, all that good stuff)
7. still hearing ticking cam noises. so did some research. possibly VCT solenoid unlikely on a 2016, possible oil flow issues (okay maybe, with the catch can over-filling). or maybe just something as simple as low on oil.
8. check oil. its not even on the dipstick, it comes out splotchy halfway up the dipstick not on the end. dark brown and dirty (just over 5k miles on mobil1 0w30)
9. OH Crap, i need to add/change my oil now!
10. drain oil, maybe 2 quarts of the dirty dark brown crap comes out. (well thats weird, the book says 6 quarts i know it usually doesn't drain all 6 but dang.)
11. put on my new oil filter and ran mobil1 5w20 in an attempt to thin/even out if there was any more tar left in there. put in 5.5 quarts engine took it all no problem and dipstick read.
12. cam noises seem to subside. will probly go back to 0w30 or the recommended 5w30 after a couple thousand miles.
13. now I'm trying to figure out this oil consumption. and looking periodically. the short hose from my OCC to the manifold seems oily on the blocker thing inside it, if I pull my manifold MAP it is soaked in oil. (even my 2 bar that's only been there since the IDS PCM update) so many issues from a 2016

i've read some scary things, valve covers getting replaced, VCT solenoids, and even crank bearing issues (yikes)

all the while i've emailed torrie with my updated PCM info, and got my 89MPG and my 93PERF tunes. only problem is. i flash the 93PERF and it wont turn over. cranks and stalls says general error 21000 when i tried reading the code(s) im not sure if that's an error reading codes or an error with the car.  . 89MPG works okay; didn't drive far but didn't trip any MIL.  what an adventure. stock tune with the 2 bar for now.

well i tried to keep it short for you guys. I seem to always throw my issues on the wrong thread so I made this adventure its own thread,  hope you guys can help...
 
I'm not sure why your putting 0w-30 on your XSPORT cause the wrong viscosity and light weight oil will screw up the cam phasers and cause a delay and set off a DTC,the same goes for dirty oil,no dis intended.  Z
 
0w30 just personal preference, just a habit of "what I usually buy" I had a toyota before and it seemed to help mpg.  after this it will be 5w30 everytime still mobil1 though, kind of a fan-boy. appreciate the input. im more conerned with what happend to 4+ qts of oil in 5k miles and why it was so dirty.. and why is it in my manifold?
 
Is your 93 tune for a 3 bar MAP.  If so, did you remember to change the sensor prior to attempting to start?

I suspect that your oil drained out through your OCC.  Make sure that you have the check valves in place and running the correct direction.  It's very easy to install incorrectly.  Double and triple check your hose routing and check valves.  The vacuum/suction on these motors is not typical due to be turbo charged. 
 
I would say the dirty oil is expected especially when tuned at a 5k interval combined with excessive idle time!!...definitely post some pics of the oil in the manifold....BTW do you have a front clean side oil separator installed.?  Z
 
ZSHO said:
I'm not sure why your putting 0w-30 on your XSPORT cause the wrong viscosity and light weight oil will screw up the cam phasers and cause a delay and set off a DTC,the same goes for dirty oil,no dis intended.  Z
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0w-30 is not light weight oil...its only lighter when cold...infact you can make the argument it gets the oil flowing to vital parts faster

If operated at an ambiant temp of 30 degrees f. and full operating temp 5w-20 is LIGHTER  than 0w-30

I hate talking about oil...but the 0w-30 simply has a greater operating temp range than 5-30

If one lived in an area with huge temperature swings then 0w-30 would be the preferred "all year" oil

You wont spend anytime in the temp range for the 0w portion of the oil chart so its kind of an unused range of the oil
 
nickwalter4 said:
0w30 just personal preference, just a habit of "what I usually buy" I had a toyota before and it seemed to help mpg.  after this it will be 5w30 everytime still mobil1 though, kind of a fan
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I run 0w-30 as well..but it doesnt help mpg unless you are always driving when super cold....otherwise its just like 5w-30

And mobil 1 is crappy group III hydro cracked poo poo....step up to group IV if you want some of the real
 
You might be ok.  Stay stock for now.  Just do a couple of 500-1000 mile oil changes, just as if you had run an engine cleaner through.

Then if everything is ok, go back to regular OCI and put on the tune.  That would be my strategy.  Caution now, reward later :)

 
ZSHO said:
I would say the dirty oil is expected especially when tuned at a 5k interval combined with excessive idle time!!...definitely post some pics of the oil in the manifold....BTW do you have a front clean side oil separator installed.?  Z
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I have the UPR kit from EPP it came with the CSS. Only difference is with the 16's theres a sensor and i had to cut the hose on the front of the engine. to put the sensor in line between CSS and the airbox nipple. I was posting a reply with some pics last night but im also currently in an uphill battle with windows 10 and had to force-crash it. Updates are killing my computer slowly.
 
nickwalter4 said:
ZSHO said:
I would say the dirty oil is expected especially when tuned at a 5k interval combined with excessive idle time!!...definitely post some pics of the oil in the manifold....BTW do you have a front clean side oil separator installed.?  Z
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I have the UPR kit from EPP it came with the CSS. Only difference is with the 16's theres a sensor and i had to cut the hose on the front of the engine. to put the sensor in line between CSS and the airbox nipple. I was posting a reply with some pics last night but im also currently in an uphill battle with windows 10 and had to force-crash it. Updates are killing my computer slowly.
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AHH you mean this bad boy,its an EGR Feedback pressure sensor on the 16+. Z 
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U have a part number for that guy, Z? I know ill need one if i evee go back to off the lot stock.. i tore mine apart to use the sensor with my catch can.? I will post some pics whenever my computer decides to start working and i coincidentally also have time to use it...
 
working ish so pics here goes...

short hose from OCC to manifold.
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manifold nipple
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other end of short hose. (i'm not sure which end is which)
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a crappy pic
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saturated MAP
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again..
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Here is a pic of a stock 16 X-SPORT and definitely get some maf cleaner for that map sensor..BTW did you cap the port highlighted on the bottom pic with your CC.?  Z 
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still won't start with the performance tune either, torrie said he updated the strategy on both tunes, it starts stock, it starts with my 3 bar and MPG tune, but 3 bar and performance just cranks. the follow up question is always "are there any codes" well no, because i went back to stock when i realized this "performance" tune is going to get me exactly zero miles of spirited driving, and I have places to go. I did check once and it said "generic error 21000" I'm not sure if that's coming from the PCM or the X4 itself.

like i said the strategies are supposed to be updated to my new PCM cal, but he said using the old strategy can cause this issue..

call me crazy but if it starts before tuning, and starts with another tune, but I tune a differen't file and it doesn't start.... something has to be wrong with that tune?.....
 
I would use the device to pull the strategy and ECU SWPN one more time and provide it to Torrie.  Just to make sure that something didn't get entered incorrectly.

Dealer updated my strategy between times of me getting and installing the tune and I had that code.
 
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