Ford seems to think only the Lincoln owners are mature enough not to try and close the windows or roof on their friend's arm. That is the only explanation for the MKS'/MKT' ability to close all with the fob, and the SHO/Flex inability. SHO/Flex owners are obviously hoodlums. As to the Explorer, man, I cannot even imagine what Ford thinks of you guys, they don't trust you with anything.
Opening front windows via key fob.
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My SHO is covered in snow so I haven't been able to try it yet. 
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I wish it would open all the windows and close them.
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I want to smack whoever at Ford decided the $50k car wouldn't get one touch down/up on rear windows but I got them on my $20k Ford Focus I had previously. Stupid idiots!
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I want to smack whoever at Ford decided the $50k car wouldn't get one touch down/up on rear windows but I got them on my $20k Ford Focus I had previously. Stupid idiots!
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TSS said:
well, don't us Lincoln owners deserve a little something exclusive for the premium? LOL...
actually when i was looking to purchase used, the MKS-EB was actually on average a little cheaper than the SHO.
however, yall have a few exclusives; besides the few hundred pounds savings in weight (probably due to the MKS' extra NVH controls/remedies) the 2010-2012 SHO has the seat massager option and split rear seat thats not available on the MKS.
I had posted this before, but it seems appropriate for the thread which has morphed into various Lincoln/Ford differences:
My summary: ONLY speaking to pre 2013 models:
All 2009-2012 MKS have HID, auto hi-beams, power tilt/telescoping wheel, and power rear sunshade. Only some SHO have those features.
All MKS have articulating headlights, not available on SHO
All MKS have LED tail lights
If equipped with a sunroof: MKS has dual sunroofs (one sliding, one fixed) and power dual sunroof sunshades , SHO has one sunroof and the sunroof sunshades are not power
MKS Fob can both lower AND RAISE windows and open and CLOSE sunroof - SHO fob only lowers/opens.
2009-2012 MKS can be dealer programmed to have DRL (uses the foglights), SHO with HID can't
Optional MKS THX II sound is superior to the top optional Sony in the SHO
MKS has the little blind spot mirrors built into the outside driver's and passenger rear view mirrors (unless you have blind side alert), SHO does not have the blind spot mirrors (I don't think...at least not in 2010)
MKS longer warranty
MKS real wood and upscale interior
SHO is lighter
SHO nice grippy suade seat inserts
SHO much wider/better trunk opening/ folding rear seats for trunk access ***** HUGE difference to me****
SHO generally better handling
SHO has a performance Package (PP) option, MKS doesn't
SHO more muscular and "manly" in appearance
Car guys know what an SHO is and gawk, and generally don't know about the MKS Ecoboost
My summary: ONLY speaking to pre 2013 models:
All 2009-2012 MKS have HID, auto hi-beams, power tilt/telescoping wheel, and power rear sunshade. Only some SHO have those features.
All MKS have articulating headlights, not available on SHO
All MKS have LED tail lights
If equipped with a sunroof: MKS has dual sunroofs (one sliding, one fixed) and power dual sunroof sunshades , SHO has one sunroof and the sunroof sunshades are not power
MKS Fob can both lower AND RAISE windows and open and CLOSE sunroof - SHO fob only lowers/opens.
2009-2012 MKS can be dealer programmed to have DRL (uses the foglights), SHO with HID can't
Optional MKS THX II sound is superior to the top optional Sony in the SHO
MKS has the little blind spot mirrors built into the outside driver's and passenger rear view mirrors (unless you have blind side alert), SHO does not have the blind spot mirrors (I don't think...at least not in 2010)
MKS longer warranty
MKS real wood and upscale interior
SHO is lighter
SHO nice grippy suade seat inserts
SHO much wider/better trunk opening/ folding rear seats for trunk access ***** HUGE difference to me****
SHO generally better handling
SHO has a performance Package (PP) option, MKS doesn't
SHO more muscular and "manly" in appearance
Car guys know what an SHO is and gawk, and generally don't know about the MKS Ecoboost
I believe the MKS is available with what is essentially the Performance Package. it comes with the MKS 'Sport' model that has the red S on the MKS moniker.
I agree the MKS is more of a sleeper, one reason why i chose it over the SHO. It also felt slightly more solid and rigid and the amazing THX sound system sealed the deal. the SHO is a tick quicker (due to less weight) and probably handles a little better, but has a harsher ride. and of course nearly all of the SHO mods are also available on the MKS as well...
I agree the MKS is more of a sleeper, one reason why i chose it over the SHO. It also felt slightly more solid and rigid and the amazing THX sound system sealed the deal. the SHO is a tick quicker (due to less weight) and probably handles a little better, but has a harsher ride. and of course nearly all of the SHO mods are also available on the MKS as well...
DRII said:
That is nothing more than an appearance package. It is even called the "ECOBOOST APPEARANCE PACKAGE". While I wish I had it, there are Zero performance changes. Nil. Nada. Zero. Unfortuneately all it includes is logo floormats, tinted headlights, a small trunk spoiler, body colored lower fascias, metallic interior trim in place of wood, a dash emblem, and the red "S". Thats all.
It looks great, but it is all aesthetic.The SHO PP package is the real deal (in terms of performance changes). Different rear end ratio, performance tires, upgraded brakes, ability to completely shut off drivers assists (advance trac).
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They should include the Ecoboost Appearance Package with all MKS Ecoboosts.
TSS said:DRII said:
That is nothing more than an appearance package. It is even called the "ECOBOOST APPEARANCE PACKAGE". While I wish I had it, there are Zero performance changes. Nil. Nada. Zero. Unfortuneately all it includes is logo floormats, tinted headlights, a small trunk spoiler, body colored lower fascias, metallic interior trim in place of wood, a dash emblem, and the red "S". Thats all.
The SHO PP package is the real deal (in terms of performance changes). Different rear end ratio, performance tires, upgraded brakes, ability to completely shut off drivers assists (advance trac).
are you sure? the 'Sport' comes with 19in wheels, wider tires, and a 'stiffer suspension', at least it felt that way when i test drove it. the 'premium' MKS-EB has the 20 in wheels and 245 tires.
i like the look of the 'premium' better with its 20in rims. I've discussed with my local Lincoln dealership about getting the body colored lower fascias of the 'Sport' put on my 'premium' MKS, because the common body kit available for the 2010-2012 MKS is expensive and heavy and a little to aggressive looking to me.
There is absolutely no difference in suspension between an EB and an EB with appearance package. I am not exactly sure what you are calling a "Sport" package, as I am unaware of one and can't find it in any brochure. And EB with Appearance package came with 20s. Can you give me a link where you are getting your info?
Here is a link to a 2011 Brochure AND 2012 Brochure - see page 13 for the detailed content of the appearance package. It is all aesthetic - all appearance. I have a 2010 brochure at home and it is the same in substance.
2011:
http://www.autoevolution.com/pdf/auto/lincoln-mks-brochure-2011.pdf
2012:
http://www.drivingforceauto.com/LiveSite/brochures/lm/2012/mks.pdf (see page 13).
For those that don't want to click, here is the info cut and pasted:
AVAILABLE LUXURY PACKAGES
EcoBoost Appearance Package2
Body-color license plate accent
Chrome grille with darkened accent bars
Darkened headlamp treatment
Decklid lip spoiler with chrome insert
Modified MKS decklid badge (S in red)
Ultimate seat trim featuring color-keyed Tuxedo stripe in the center of the
front and outboard rear seat backs, and embroidered Lincoln Star on the
front seat head restraints (available in Charcoal Black with Charcoal Black
tuxedo stripe, or Sienna with Charcoal Black tuxedo stripe)
Unique 20-in. 10-spoke polished wheels with P245/45R20 all-season tires
Unique body-color front and rear lower fascias, side rocker panels and
door cladding
Unique illuminated door sill plates (S in red)
Unique metallic appliqué with MKS on instrument panel (S in red)
Upgraded black floor mats with embroidered Lincoln Star
Here is a link to a 2011 Brochure AND 2012 Brochure - see page 13 for the detailed content of the appearance package. It is all aesthetic - all appearance. I have a 2010 brochure at home and it is the same in substance.
2011:
http://www.autoevolution.com/pdf/auto/lincoln-mks-brochure-2011.pdf
2012:
http://www.drivingforceauto.com/LiveSite/brochures/lm/2012/mks.pdf (see page 13).
For those that don't want to click, here is the info cut and pasted:
AVAILABLE LUXURY PACKAGES
EcoBoost Appearance Package2
Body-color license plate accent
Chrome grille with darkened accent bars
Darkened headlamp treatment
Decklid lip spoiler with chrome insert
Modified MKS decklid badge (S in red)
Ultimate seat trim featuring color-keyed Tuxedo stripe in the center of the
front and outboard rear seat backs, and embroidered Lincoln Star on the
front seat head restraints (available in Charcoal Black with Charcoal Black
tuxedo stripe, or Sienna with Charcoal Black tuxedo stripe)
Unique 20-in. 10-spoke polished wheels with P245/45R20 all-season tires
Unique body-color front and rear lower fascias, side rocker panels and
door cladding
Unique illuminated door sill plates (S in red)
Unique metallic appliqué with MKS on instrument panel (S in red)
Upgraded black floor mats with embroidered Lincoln Star
I'm getting my info from my test driving before i decided to purchase. all the MKSs with the red S had the 19 in wheels and wider tires along with the blacked out headlights and body colored lower body cladding. the one i drove felt firmer riding to me, perhaps its was just due to the lighter wheels and wider rubber, but usually the bigger the wheel the firmer the ride.
i'm not certain if there are suspension differences betwen the two, but it felt different from the MKS-EB with 20in wheels.
and I've yet to see a MKS-EB with 20 in wheels that has the darker headlight film and body colored lower fascias. so i would doubt if its just an appearance difference or option. if it were, i would have gotten it...
i'm not certain if there are suspension differences betwen the two, but it felt different from the MKS-EB with 20in wheels.
and I've yet to see a MKS-EB with 20 in wheels that has the darker headlight film and body colored lower fascias. so i would doubt if its just an appearance difference or option. if it were, i would have gotten it...
Every MKS with Eco appearance I searched has the 20s. SEE two ATTACHED listings. Trust me, all that I found had the 20s.
Are you mistaking the similar looking 19s for the Eco appearance specific 20s that come with the package? They look very similar. See these links showing the 20s that come with the package.
If you have any proof (more than your recollection and butt dyno) that all eco appearance packages have 19" rims and there is a suspension difference between the Ecoboost and Ecoboost appearance package that is contrary to what all Ford Literature, my attached previous and current links, and my service department (I just called) say, then please show me. It's okay to be wrong. I am wrong a lot - just not this time. I did my research before I purchased.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=68293318
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=70720774
[size=14pt]For Comparison, here is a link to the 19s, on a base non ecoboost, non appearance package. They look similar to the 20s that came on ALL Ecoboost appearance package models - but smaller. Wheel choices were 18 inch , 19 inch (Pictured in the link directly below), 20 inch (pictured in my avatar) , and 20 inch Ecoboost Appearance package (pictured in the 2 links directly above) [/size]
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=67863934
[size=14pt][size=12pt]For kicks and because it is a slow day, here are the base 18s. Now I have linked all four rims that were offered.[/size]
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http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=75335686
[size=14pt]Please just believe me, it is just an appearance package - exactly as Ford advertised it. All Ecoboost appearance packages came with 20s and the suspension was no different than any other Ecoboost MKS.[/size]
Are you mistaking the similar looking 19s for the Eco appearance specific 20s that come with the package? They look very similar. See these links showing the 20s that come with the package.
If you have any proof (more than your recollection and butt dyno) that all eco appearance packages have 19" rims and there is a suspension difference between the Ecoboost and Ecoboost appearance package that is contrary to what all Ford Literature, my attached previous and current links, and my service department (I just called) say, then please show me. It's okay to be wrong. I am wrong a lot - just not this time. I did my research before I purchased.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=68293318
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=70720774
[size=14pt]For Comparison, here is a link to the 19s, on a base non ecoboost, non appearance package. They look similar to the 20s that came on ALL Ecoboost appearance package models - but smaller. Wheel choices were 18 inch , 19 inch (Pictured in the link directly below), 20 inch (pictured in my avatar) , and 20 inch Ecoboost Appearance package (pictured in the 2 links directly above) [/size]
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=67863934
[size=14pt][size=12pt]For kicks and because it is a slow day, here are the base 18s. Now I have linked all four rims that were offered.[/size]
[/size]
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePage_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&cgLocale=en&embedType=NONE&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c23016&ign-makerId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=m38&ign-modelId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d1152&ign-carId-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c22201&ign-car2Id-entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c23016&zip=48933&distance=MILES_100&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=75335686
[size=14pt]Please just believe me, it is just an appearance package - exactly as Ford advertised it. All Ecoboost appearance packages came with 20s and the suspension was no different than any other Ecoboost MKS.[/size]
TSS, first off how about we calm down a little. we all are Ford fans here.
if you'd noticed all of my descriptions were subjective and relative, with words like 'i think' or 'it felt' etc.
second, both of those listing you linked have the 19 in wheels. this quote is from the first link's description: "Light|Silver aluminum rims|Wheel Diameter: 19|Wheel Width: 8". which corresponds with my experience that all of the MKSs with the red S on the moniker and tinted headlamps and body colored lower cladding, that IMO had a firmer ride.
now, you very well may be correct that there are no technical suspension differences. it just seems odd to me that the forementioned cosmetic and wheel diameter differences are only on the MKS 'Sport' (the ones with the red S) vs just being options that you could find on the MKS-EBs with 20 in wheels. like i said, i want the body colored lower cladding vs the dark greyish matte black cladding on my MKS...
if you'd noticed all of my descriptions were subjective and relative, with words like 'i think' or 'it felt' etc.
second, both of those listing you linked have the 19 in wheels. this quote is from the first link's description: "Light|Silver aluminum rims|Wheel Diameter: 19|Wheel Width: 8". which corresponds with my experience that all of the MKSs with the red S on the moniker and tinted headlamps and body colored lower cladding, that IMO had a firmer ride.
now, you very well may be correct that there are no technical suspension differences. it just seems odd to me that the forementioned cosmetic and wheel diameter differences are only on the MKS 'Sport' (the ones with the red S) vs just being options that you could find on the MKS-EBs with 20 in wheels. like i said, i want the body colored lower cladding vs the dark greyish matte black cladding on my MKS...
Those two links are not 19s on the appearance package models. They are 20s. The description is just the generic stuff - it is not accurate - it happens all the time. You need to actually look at the picture of the rim - enlarge it - the size is 20 inch - indicated right on the sidewall. I picked that link because the side wall is legible clearly in the photo.
And, honestly I am not upset. I hope you are not either. Looking back on my post, I understand the bigger font could be interpreted as yelling - that was not my intent. I used larger font because I did not want my words to get buried/missed in the multiple links.
I am just trying to prevent somebody from looking at this thread in the future and buying an appearance package MKS because they think they are getting some performance or suspension enhancement - which they are not.
And, honestly I am not upset. I hope you are not either. Looking back on my post, I understand the bigger font could be interpreted as yelling - that was not my intent. I used larger font because I did not want my words to get buried/missed in the multiple links.
I am just trying to prevent somebody from looking at this thread in the future and buying an appearance package MKS because they think they are getting some performance or suspension enhancement - which they are not.
i'm not able to clearly magnify the pic, but to me, those look like 19in wheels and certainly seem smaller than my rims.
i will admit that the MKS, IMO, makes any size wheel look a size smaller to my eyes. thats one of the main reasons i'm thinking about getting 22's. i just don't want to add too much extra unsprung weight that will negativiely affect handling/transmission/gas-mileage...
i will admit that the MKS, IMO, makes any size wheel look a size smaller to my eyes. thats one of the main reasons i'm thinking about getting 22's. i just don't want to add too much extra unsprung weight that will negativiely affect handling/transmission/gas-mileage...