please help me understand what the crap is going on? (wastegates) : Resolved!!!

[ZSHO]

There were a few TSB related to the PCM that kind of popped out @ me! Dunno!  Z
It's also a Job 1 as mentioned ^^^

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07-01-2010 102000 Power Train:manual Transmission Ford/lincoln: transmission built before 6/1/10 with 4th gear start, delay/hesitation on acceleration from a stop-no dtcs this may be caused by a sticking multiplex shift valve in the valve body *pe

07-01-2010 103000 Power Train:automatic Transmission Ford/lincoln: transmission built before 6/1/10 with 4th gear start, delay/hesitation on acceleration from a stop-no dtcs this may be caused by a sticking multiplex shift valve in the valve body *pe

01-01-2011 103100 Power Train:automatic Transmission:control Module (tcm, Pcm) Ford: there may be a loss of power, hesitation, surge, or lack of throttle response while driving the brake over accelerator feature may be activating *rm

03-01-2011 072200 Fuel System, Gasoline:delivery:hoses, Lines/piping, And Fittings Ford: 2010-2011 taurus there may be an oil leak from the turbocharger oil feed lines or a seal *rm

03-01-2011 092200 Fuel System, Other:delivery:hoses, Lines/piping, And Fittings Ford: 2010-2011 taurus there may be an oil leak from the turbocharger oil feed lines or a seal *rm

03-01-2011 046000 Service Brakes, Air:antilock Ford: if there is an intermittent lack of power, surge, or hesitation while driving the brakes will override acceleration *rm

03-01-2011 061000 Engine And Engine Cooling:engine Ford: if there is an intermittent lack of power, surge, or hesitation while driving the brakes will override acceleration *rm

03-01-2011 100000 Power Train Ford: if there is an intermittent lack of power, surge, or hesitation while driving the brakes will override acceleration *rm

03-01-2011 118000 Electrical System: Software Ford: if there is an intermittent lack of power, surge, or hesitation while driving the brakes will override acceleration *rm

05-27-2013 102000 Power Train:manual Transmission Ford/lincoln: on some vehicles, transmission 5th gear start at stop, speed control drops or inoperative, backup camera on in drive, 5th gear start from stop and transmission slipping or neutral out, due to digital transmission range tr s

06-01-2013 060000 Engine (pws) Ford/lincoln: long block engines shipped with cam sensors, crank sensor, crank sensor tone wheel, coolant inlet tube, the components must be swapped over engine being replaced to replacement engine before engine is installed *pe


https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report-wva.php?make=ford&model=taurus&year=2010&vin=1fahp2kt3ag106362

 

[TopherSho]

The TSB kind of popped out @ me! Dunno!  Z
It's also a Job 1 as mentioned ^^^

01-01-2011 103100 Power Train:automatic Transmission:control Module (tcm, Pcm) Ford: there may be a loss of power, hesitation, surge, or lack of throttle response while driving the brake over accelerator feature may be activating *rm
03-01-2011 061120 Engine And Engine Cooling:engine:gasoline:turbo-charger Ford: 2010-2011 taurus there may be an oil leak from the turbocharger oil feed lines or a seal *rm
03-01-2011 072200 Fuel System, Gasoline:delivery:hoses, Lines/piping, And Fittings Ford: 2010-2011 taurus there may be an oil leak from the turbocharger oil feed lines or a seal *rm



https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report-wva.php?make=ford&model=taurus&year=2010&vin=1fahp2kt3ag106362

I saw that ... but kind of ingore it.. the symtpon doesnt see 'right'.  Do you think the are referring to the ACC brake feature?  i'm not sure that would create the jitter... but disabling the ACC should kill that for a test ?

Aslo ... my ECU part number.  it doesn't seem compatible with the any of the replacement units i have found.  Thoughts ?

 

[TopherSho]

There were a few TSB related to the PCM that kind of popped out @ me! Dunno!  Z
It's also a Job 1 as mentioned ^^^

07-01-2010 102000 Power Train:manual Transmission Ford/lincoln: transmission built before 6/1/10 with 4th gear start, delay/hesitation on acceleration from a stop-no dtcs this may be caused by a sticking multiplex shift valve in the valve body *pe

07-01-2010 103000 Power Train:automatic Transmission Ford/lincoln: transmission built before 6/1/10 with 4th gear start, delay/hesitation on acceleration from a stop-no dtcs this may be caused by a sticking multiplex shift valve in the valve body *pe

01-01-2011 103100 Power Train:automatic Transmission:control Module (tcm, Pcm) Ford: there may be a loss of power, hesitation, surge, or lack of throttle response while driving the brake over accelerator feature may be activating *rm

https://www.vehiclehistory.com/paging-vin-report-data/new-report-wva.php?make=ford&model=taurus&year=2010&vin=1fahp2kt3ag106362

its possible.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

I will tell you this... and I have mentioned it before.... to date, I have not had an SCT based tune regardless of tuner that runs 100% all the time. Torrie flat out couldn’t get my fuel pressure under control among other things... BCB damn near blew up my motor with their 2nd revision(going 1.14 lambda in the middle of a boost spike will do that) and then told me that I don’t have enough tables for them to work with.... and Brad has spent HOURS working my tunes over to come up with a tune that flat out runs 99% of the time. I still get a stutter in the upper RPMs once in a blue moon....

A lot of those TSB are resolved with a strategy update which you have the latest... so I dunno dude....

I am not sure it’s mechanical since it runs fine after a flash....



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[ZSHO]

I would @ least try to remove the PCM to check for lose or corroded connector's or (water intrusion) to validate address your concern!
FWIW would try to rule out a malfunctioning Fuel system!

BTW How's the oil level? Sorry if this was asked before!  Z

 

[TopherSho]

I will tell you this... and I have mentioned it before.... to date, I have not had an SCT based tune regardless of tuner that runs 100% all the time. Torrie flat out couldn’t get my fuel pressure under control among other things... BCB damn near blew up my motor with their 2nd revision(going 1.14 lambda in the middle of a boost spike will do that) and then told me that I don’t have enough tables for them to work with.... and Brad has spent HOURS working my tunes over to come up with a tune that flat out runs 99% of the time. I still get a stutter in the upper RPMs once in a blue moon....

A lot of those TSB are resolved with a strategy update which you have the latest... so I dunno dude....

I am not sure it’s mechanical since it runs fine after a flash....



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My only concern 'when it worked'  was the tiniest of a flutter at the top end of third.  It may have been working... but now that it regressed i wonder if it was really WASN'T working all the way.

And i'm on my last purchase.  after that i'm hosed

i still need to confirm :
-the tranny log i will go and collect today is clear of obvious bad stuff
-installing the new hand built 15-pound tune does not solve to for more than a few days.

then its
-new pcm,  but that look like 600$ as the ones used i have seen do not list my PN as a direct replacement.
-livernois,  they run lower boost, lower spark but modify cams,wastegate profiles to run high rpm to achieve their stats, MAYBE my version of the platform just doesn't run highboost well.
-buy a new transmission for the TSB's that might in play out of pocket
-return to stock and sell and get a 2011+ with a better damn ECU


FYI
battery us 14.2 + volts under full acceleration
oil is above board
Tranny fluid was *perfect* super duper clear and smelled fine, i added like 1/3 to 1/2 a additional quart anyways.


i will try to do the PCM inspections today if the cowel is easy to remove.  i will be on single parent duty until the Mrs. gets home.  So if its complicated i will loose bits

check list?
pully thingy bob 10$
CRC cleaner

What kind of goo should i be using to slather the connector to prevent corrosion ?

 

[SHOdded]

Dielectric  grease.  I use Permatex, but any good brand should be fine.

 

[TopherSho]

Here is the tranny log
15 pound OLD tune
no adaptive reset
generic fuel

there are two back to back runs.
1st one is a downshift from 3rd to 1st,  all the way to 4th.  it was 'bad' at the end of 2nd and 3rd.  but not SUPER DUPER BAD.
2nd one is a full stop, then gas,  3rd was pretty bad at the end .. i will focus looking there.

I have no idea what i am looking at yet   still looking.

the Adaptive reset is underway.  it is unhooked and will be for the next 2+ hours.  it should be almost totally cold
then i will idle it with the remote start 2,3 times
then head out from work and do the air-con and then the brake pedal loads then drive it home.
i expect this to fail
after that i will drop the hand rebuilt v2 version of the 15 pound tune, get it to .96 and retest.


Has anyone logged a misfire before?  in this new CFG file,  it is reporting 1000 misfires. where as in the CFG file i used from AJP i see none. what do other peoples misfires look like?  should it not throw a CEL after like 10 in a row or in a short period?

 

[ZSHO]

Here is the tranny log
15 pound OLD tune
no adaptive reset
generic fuel

there are two back to back runs.
1st one is a downshift from 3rd to 1st,  all the way to 4th.  it was 'bad' at the end of 2nd and 3rd.  but not SUPER DUPER BAD.
2nd one is a full stop, then gas,  3rd was pretty bad at the end .. i will focus looking there.

I have no idea what i am looking at yet   still looking.

the Adaptive reset is underway.  it is unhooked and will be for the next 2+ hours.  it should be almost totally cold
then i will idle it with the remote start 2,3 times
then head out from work and do the air-con and then the brake pedal loads then drive it home.
i expect this to fail
after that i will drop the hand rebuilt v2 version of the 15 pound tune, get it to .96 and retest.


Has anyone logged a misfire before?  in this new CFG file,  it is reporting 1000 misfires. where as in the CFG file i used from AJP i see none. what do other peoples misfires look like?  should it not throw a CEL after like 10 in a row or in a short period?

It sounds more like a P0316 FORD - Misfire Detected On Startup First 1000 Revolutions! Dunno!  Z
Read more: https://www.engine-codes.com/p0316_ford.html  Dunno!  Z

Read more: https://www.engine-codes.com/p0316_ford.html

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[TopherSho]

looking at that description makes me ask if it is applicable? Would that count continue through a 15 minute drive, and then 2 back to back runs?

just making sure.. i was on .28 gapped plugs, with meth. 

it is the only spark behavior 'misfire' data point that shows up when i do the livelink ''validate all pids'' function other than 'knock'

 

[SHOdded]

If you are thinking misfires, I would have the power balance test run.  That may be the best way to figure out that problem.  Mode $06 data will tell you misfire counts.  Just a thought to tuck away.

As far as a p0316 goes, it could be a burnt exhaust valve,
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8230

Or need a new engine entirely.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8219.msg125345.html#msg125345

 

[TopherSho]

If you are thinking misfires, I would have the power balance test run.  That may be the best way to figure out that problem.  Mode $06 data will tell you misfire counts.  Just a thought to tuck away.

As far as a p0316 goes, it could be a burnt exhaust valve,
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8230

Or need a new engine entirely.
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,8219.msg125345.html#msg125345

My concern is i am not getting any codes... so i have no idea if that is what is happening ?  /so confused/

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

If you had 1000 misfires it would throw a CEL.

Any other max numbers not looking right?

By the way out of the blue yesterday the MKS started shifting hard. Some PT and all WOT.

Had all kinds of issues trying to load multiple config file. (pids stopped working, crazy max numbers)

Updated everything, reloaded tune, hard shifting fixed but the config files are still not working/causing errors on handheld.

 

[polskifacet]

Agreed with SBS! FWIW you can always find a used PCM on Ebay for fairly cheap which is the (Brain) of the vehicle and just have it programmed @ the Dealer if that's the case!!!
What's your VIN Number?  I'm presume it's an earlier build Job 1 ?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4712.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X.TRS0&_nkw=%09BA5Z-12A650-PD&_sacat=0

Don't mean to thread jack****
Z the cost of the PCM has caught my interest its around $80. Would you know the cost of reprogramming it @ a dealer?

 

[SHOdded]

Possible issues with the X4, FoMoCo?  Been kinda wary of those devices ever since they were released.

 

[TopherSho]

If you had 1000 misfires it would throw a CEL.

Any other max numbers not looking right?

By the way out of the blue yesterday the MKS started shifting hard. Some PT and all WOT.

Had all kinds of issues trying to load multiple config file. (pids stopped working, crazy max numbers)

Updated everything, reloaded tune, hard shifting fixed but the config files are still not working/causing errors on handheld.

well i'm off to put the neg cable back on,  flash it to the new tune, warm it up and then do the ac \brake dance to get the adaptives done he ford way.

i have little hope for this.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Possible issues with the X4, FoMoCo?  Been kinda wary of those devices ever since they were released.

Dunno...

I do know that what should have taken 15 minutes (loading config and logging) ended up taking almost two hours due to fighting with my X4 and the software.

With the issues Topher has had the sudden tranny behavior and fix with a flash gave me pause.

 

[FoMoCoSHO]

Agreed with SBS! FWIW you can always find a used PCM on Ebay for fairly cheap which is the (Brain) of the vehicle and just have it programmed @ the Dealer if that's the case!!!
What's your VIN Number?  I'm presume it's an earlier build Job 1 ?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4712.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X.TRS0&_nkw=%09BA5Z-12A650-PD&_sacat=0

Don't mean to thread jack****
Z the cost of the PCM has caught my interest its around $80. Would you know the cost of reprogramming it @ a dealer?

MrsFoMoCoSHO says it should be around $130.00 with tax.

 

[StealBlueSHO]

I wonder if SCT released a borked FW upgrade... its been known to happen to anyway hardware company...

Scary cause if that’s the case... and the FW mismatch or whatever is causing weird behavior then what’s stopping it from causing an issue like causing your AFRs to go wonky?

Maybe hypertech is the way to go? ;-)


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[FoMoCoSHO]

What I don't understand is why the tune revision is different.

I have no preloaded tunes on my device (or are they still there and locked?)